How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[Mos]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Hard to imagine that a man would go through college and think dinosaurs are a conspiracy. Hey Mos you gota be kidding about judging people man. I do believe heaven and hell are part of the chrystian belife structure. You dont even have to go that far-just go to any church in the armenian diaspora and its a fashion show with ladies judging other ladies and gossiping. Ill take some pics of 60 yearold women dressed up like a 20 yearold begging for attention in church and you can be the "judge" yourself. This wonderful religion that brought us the spanish inquisition is surely a great argument against judging others-do you even believe the bs that you type?

I know those ladies that gossip in Church, and I find it very wrong. Church is a place of sanctuary to pray, to think about your sins, to ask for forgiveness, it is the house of God and there needs to be more respect to it. I'm not going to say those women are "evil", but I can say that their act of doing that in the church is wrong. And when it comes to thinglike inquisition, well it was done by the Catholic Church, but I really don't understand this BS logic that if any Christian Church in the world commits a failure that somehow makes the Christian faith invalid.

Please read this:

The church that is described in Acts 2:41-47 is a xxxish church, worshipping as we would expect of a group of new xxxish converts. It is a church of very new believers, who exhibit the vital signs of new life in Christ. This is not a church that has “arrived;” it is a church that has a good start and is moving in the right direction. It is a church that loves God and others. It is a Spirit-filled church that is moving toward the fulfillment of the Great Commission. But it is not a perfect church.

In the end, you can't use the failures of some churches throughout history to invalidate the Christian faith.

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

I have refrained from this ?conversation? for many personal reasons.
Although I shall not speak to the heart of the matter in a direct fashion(my style),I will say 3 things.
The inappropriate conduct mentioned that is taking place in Armenian churches, is also taking place in all other churches that I know of as well as Synogogues/Temples etc.. Also this inappropriate behavior is taking place amongst the none religious as well.
(2) Although anyone can make up the definition of a word or alter the definition of a word(chaos) that is inappropriate and wrong even though it happens a lot.
The word "Christian" or "Christ" is a transliteration of the Greek word "christo".
The Greek word "christo" is a translation of the Hebrew word "mashia"(sp?).
The English transliteration of the Hebrew word "mashia" is "Messia"(sp? On both).
The Hebrew word "mashia" (sp?) literally means --- anointed or chosen.
That is why when the "christian" a ship they literally wack it with a bottle of booze(anoint).
Said I had three things to say but meant 4, sorry.
(3) Of the people that got off the Ark beside Noah, 3 were mentioned .
Japheth, Ham, & Shem. They were brothers.
Ham did something that literally --- enraged --- Noah, and was told by Noah in no uncertain words to get out and not return.
That left the two brothers, Japheth & Shem.
Shem was Japheth's little brother, and Japheth was Shem's big brother.
Japheth watched out for his little brother all the days of his life,and Shem looked up to his older brother all the days of his life.
Pretty sure no one will get no. 4, or really cares but here goes ---
--- a very old saying --- --- dead men don't lie ---
Artashes

[MrHyeSev]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

It clearly states in the Bible (Free Will)..if people don't want to know about GOD or believe in him, it's there choice but there is going to be a day of judgement where no matter what you will have to give an answer....in the book of Revelations it's speaks on judgment a lot more.

[One-Way]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

It clearly states in the Bible (Free Will)..if people don't want to know about GOD or believe in him, it's there choice but there is going to be a day of judgement where no matter what you will have to give an answer....in the book of Revelations it's speaks on judgment a lot more.

When do you think the Day of Judgement will be?

[Mos]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

It clearly states in the Bible (Free Will)..if people don't want to know about GOD or believe in him, it's there choice but there is going to be a day of judgement where no matter what you will have to give an answer....in the book of Revelations it's speaks on judgment a lot more.

This. People often forget that in Christianity there's a inherent freedom, which is not present in the other main religions (Islam/Judaism).

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

When do you think the Day of Judgement will be?

Only Schwarzenegger knows.

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Only Schwarzenegger knows.

Funny,a guy who couldn't even tell who his wife was (a man only has sex with his wife).


In a dream I once had, I had a question asked to me by someone who was so old I fail in my ability to describe eternity.
The question was --- what can you count on for sure ---
I thought for a few moments and then said I needed more time to think as I couldn't come up with an answer emmediatly.
After several days I thought I had the answer for sure.
Sorry gotta go
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Funny,a guy who couldn't even tell who his wife was (a man only has sex with his wife).


In a dream I once had, I had a question asked to me by someone who was so old I fail in my ability to describe eternity.
The question was --- what can you count on for sure ---
I thought for a few moments and then said I needed more time to think as I couldn't come up with an answer emmediatly.
After several days I thought I had the answer for sure.
Sorry gotta go
Artashes

So after several days of pondering I thought to myself --- the answer to this question was very simple, quite obvious and --- absolutely --- correct.
I had -- the -- answer. Death.
One might dodge the tax man, and get by with it. One might lie and connive like a turk, and "seemingly get by with it. But no matter who you are , you can't dodge death.
I thought my answer was infallible.
And so I laid down to sleep and did fall into a slumber.
Once again this ancient of days did appear in my dreams and asked if I had an answer to the question ----------- what can you count on for sure ---
I said death, it's the only thing that's for sure.
Sorry have to go back to work
Artashes

[ArmSurvival]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Your reasoning for the claim that they can't possibly be fabricated because somebody would blow the whistle relies on the belief that someone who isn't corrupt would eventually expose the scam. If you were being granted large sums of money for traveling to parts of the world, how much would you be willing to bend the truth?

You're adhering to the motto "follow the money" but you're being selective in the application. If you were being granted large sums of money to espouse the claims of the bible (tax free I might add) it would give you a huge incentive to protect your beliefs even if there was no evidence. Religion so far has been a much bigger business than science particularly because more people follow religion today and especially before the 21st century. The pope lives in a palace, average priests can drive BMWs and don't have to pay taxes on their earnings. At least scientists and scientific institutions contribute to the community by paying taxes unlike religious agents. Now look at which of the two groups are preaching "modesty" and "charity". Despite all I just said, none of it proves that religious beliefs are incorrect - They are incorrect because they lack evidence.

The fact that there is money involved in something does not prove anything, because then everything on the planet would be a hoax or a conspiracy. That's an auxiliary or supporting point. Your main point should be to show how a sample of bones is actually fake, which you cannot do.

It clearly states in the Bible (Free Will)..if people don't want to know about GOD or believe in him, it's there choice but there is going to be a day of judgement where no matter what you will have to give an answer....in the book of Revelations it's speaks on judgment a lot more.

This. People often forget that in Christianity there's a inherent freedom, which is not present in the other main religions (Islam/Judaism).

Do either of you believe that a person who lives a good life but does not believe in the bible, Jesus or God will be cast into hell?

[KanadaHye]

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Do either of you believe that a person who lives a good life but does not believe in the bible, Jesus or God will be cast into hell?

I don't believe in hell. I do believe that we have a short time to make something with our lives and either leave this place a little better or a little worse than we found it. I do believe in planning for a better future. I also believe in the power of vision (that is, having the power to make your vision become reality).

You're adhering to the motto "follow the money" but you're being selective in the application. If you were being granted large sums of money to espouse the claims of the bible (tax free I might add) it would give you a huge incentive to protect your beliefs even if there was no evidence. Religion so far has been a much bigger business than science particularly because more people follow religion today and especially before the 21st century.

That's fine but you didn't answer my question. If I were to pay you $120,000 a year and on top of that you get to travel all expenses paid, would you look the other way if you saw something that wasn't legit?

Keep in mind that some dinosaur exhibits were destroyed in WWII along with the evidence and all that remains are published material... would you still believe in dinosaurs 2 or 3 thousand years from now if all the evidence was lost in wars and all that remained was books... ??