How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[Artashes]

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Con't from posts 227 & 228 ---
--- been around the dead. After a while they get stiff. If you move their foot , their head moves at the same time, like if you flip a board at one end , the other end flips at the same time.
Free will is over.
Also they don't run their mouths any more.

The old one I met in the mentioned dreams said to me ---
--- death is not a safe haven from me ---

Artashes

[ArmSurvival]

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I don't believe in hell. I do believe that we have a short time to make something with our lives and either leave this place a little better or a little worse than we found it. I do believe in planning for a better future. I also believe in the power of vision (that is, having the power to make your vision become reality).

In other words you don’t believe in religious texts and are secular in your mindset. That’s great.

That's fine but you didn't answer my question. If I were to pay you $120,000 a year and on top of that you get to travel all expenses paid, would you look the other way if you saw something that wasn't legit?

The reason you’re getting paid that money is to verify if something is legitimate or not, so I don’t think calling a spade a spade is going to rock the boat. As far as I know archaeologists find lots of things they have to discard because they are either unusable or not what they originally thought.

One thing you're disregarding is the territoriality of scientists and scholars. If somebody makes a big find or comes up with a new theory, there will be plenty of scholars who would love to prove it wrong in order to maintain their own importance in their field.

Keep in mind that some dinosaur exhibits were destroyed in WWII along with the evidence and all that remains are published material... would you still believe in dinosaurs 2 or 3 thousand years from now if all the evidence was lost in wars and all that remained was books... ??

I don’t know what mindset I would have if I was born 3,000 years in the future. However if dinosaurs made sense from an evolutionary perspective then at the very least it would be a plausible or workable theory as long as it fit into the framework of conventional knowledge at that time. At the present moment it fits in just fine without any contradictions.

Also those books that would survive would tell you exactly where the bones were found and the names of the individuals who surveyed them and which museum they were displayed at the time. They would even tell you where that species fit in with the rest of the animal kingdom as well as the evolutionary history of the species. There would be a basis for studying and scrutinizing the material in the book. This is a totally different criterion of evidence than the bible where you have hearsay, gossip, human sacrifice and celestial beings supposedly communicating with humans, none of which is compatible with science and many times contradicts factual knowledge.

[MrHyeSev]

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No one knows that One-Way , but I know no one can hide from GOD

When do you think the Day of Judgement will be?

[MrHyeSev]

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That's why I just said people can run from GOD...but not HiDE

This. People often forget that in Christianity there's a inherent freedom, which is not present in the other main religions (Islam/Judaism).

[Haykakan]

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I love this. Here we got people claiming to be chrystians and having knowledge of the religion and its profit yet one says it teaches not to judge others yet the other speaks of a judgement day. Call it hypocracy inconsistancy, a brain fart.. i just call it stupid just like most other things regarding religion. Chrystianity is just like any other stupid religion full of contradictions, superstitions and long legacy of human suffering and torture to boot. Even you people who claimto be of the same faith contraditc each other thus which one of you is right and which is wrong? Somebody better get out that spiritual cellphone and ask Jesus wtf is goin on.

[KanadaHye]

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I love this. Here we got people claiming to be chrystians and having knowledge of the religion and its profit yet one says it teaches not to judge others yet the other speaks of a judgement day. Call it hypocracy inconsistancy, a brain fart.. i just call it stupid just like most other things regarding religion. Chrystianity is just like any other stupid religion full of contradictions, superstitions and long legacy of human suffering and torture to boot. Even you people who claimto be of the same faith contraditc each other thus which one of you is right and which is wrong? Somebody better get out that spiritual cellphone and ask Jesus wtf is goin on.

There seriously needs to be a bible for dummies... all people do is gather misinformation off the internet from people who are retarded.

Nowhere in the bible does it say not to judge. What it does say is that there are just judgements and wrong judgements.

God gave you a brain so you CAN JUDGE the difference between good and bad, right or wrong. The difference between a good parent and a sh!tty one comes down to their ability to judge correctly.

[KanadaHye]

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Also those books that would survive would tell you exactly where the bones were found and the names of the individuals who surveyed them and which museum they were displayed at the time. They would even tell you where that species fit in with the rest of the animal kingdom as well as the evolutionary history of the species. There would be a basis for studying and scrutinizing the material in the book. This is a totally different criterion of evidence than the bible where you have hearsay, gossip, human sacrifice and celestial beings supposedly communicating with humans, none of which is compatible with science and many times contradicts factual knowledge.

As I've said before... if the "science" can't be backed by hard math then in my book it's right up there with religion and philosophy.

[MrHyeSev]

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Haykakan instead of knocking the Christians down & trying to "fit in", why don't you listen . Judgement day is when every human being will be judged by GOD. Not to judge is no human can judge another human because no one is perfect

I love this. Here we got people claiming to be chrystians and having knowledge of the religion and its profit yet one says it teaches not to judge others yet the other speaks of a judgement day. Call it hypocracy inconsistancy, a brain fart.. i just call it stupid just like most other things regarding religion. Chrystianity is just like any other stupid religion full of contradictions, superstitions and long legacy of human suffering and torture to boot. Even you people who claimto be of the same faith contraditc each other thus which one of you is right and which is wrong? Somebody better get out that spiritual cellphone and ask Jesus wtf is goin on.

[KanadaHye]

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Not to judge is no human can judge another human because no one is perfect

Well, not exactly... you aren't in the position to judge someone if you are guilty of the same crime. Thieves can't judge thieves and murderers can't judge murders since they are at the same level. That's why the judicial system relies on citizens with a good record to be on jury duty.

[ArmSurvival]

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As I've said before... if the "science" can't be backed by hard math then in my book it's right up there with religion and philosophy.

I don't see how dinosaur bones aren't backed by "hard math" or evidence other than your inference that because people make money in that field then it must be fake.