How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[Haykakan]

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This sounds like the political situation of the day more then anything else..Nothing you said here is new nor interesting..dude you should maybe go into comedy caus your funny when your not talkin about bs. A good example of the bs that religion is was displayed the other day. I pick up my son and my neighbors kid from the bus stop daily and the 10 yearold asked me who i am voting for and i said i dont know and thats when she said that her family is voting for romney because obama supports killing babies. I thought to myself that this is a great example of how the bs that is religion goes from generation to generation regardless how big the bs contained within it. As long as there are people who take fairytales as doctines for life - we will continue to suffer the curses of ignorence, racism, fanatasizm etc.. I wonder if that girl will ever have the chance to question the bs that her parents filled her head with.
"If you don't believe in the existence of forces that do not want you to be free to choose and from those choices find salvation, then you are most likely living for the interests of those forces."

[KanadaHye]

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Okay, this reductionist argument is crap and I, for one, am sick of it.

How can you say that you don't believe something can come from nothing and then argue about where the single-cell organism came from and then EXPLAIN (supposedly) that a creator must have done it. How is that any explanation at all? It doesn't even address your OWN criticism. Who created the creator? Where did this infinitely complex (must be to create all of the universe, right?) creator come from?

We can't think in definitive terms when dealing with the existence or non existence of a superior being that most likely, if exists, doesn't take the same form as us. We can only form certain degrees of doubt from knowledge and personal experiences. If interested, Theology studies the questions of the existence, nature and attributes of God, and God's relations with man (that includes wo-man).

Back to the questions at hand:

I said humans physically can't create something from nothing (we need building blocks).

For us, that single-cell organism might be complex. For a more intelligent being, it might be very simple. Intelligence as we know it, varies in degrees.

You are also correct in stating that this being would have to be infinite like the universe.

It is not of our concern where this creator came from, in fact it has no bearing on our lives because we form our lives from the choices we make (or others make for us). Let's assume that this being rules over us by omnipotence and omniscience yet we're completely oblivious by its existence. That does not change the choices we have to make to form our lives.

What does have a bearing on our lives is whether or not we believe in the moral implications of our actions which lead us to or from salvation and free will. If you don't believe in the existence of forces that do not want you to be free to choose and from those choices find salvation, then you are most likely living for the interests of those forces.

If you're looking for historical evidence of whether or not Christ existed, there is probably more evidence in the world around you than you can find in any literature such as the Bible that has most likely been doctored over the millenniums.

[Haykakan]

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The typical answer seems to be well since you dont have all the answers i am going to go with the crappy answer regardless of how stupid it is. Btw there are some cool advances in physics lately but i am sure they were only discovered by gods will..

[Siggie]

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Okay, this reductionist argument is crap and I, for one, am sick of it.

How can you say that you don't believe something can come from nothing and then argue about where the single-cell organism came from and then EXPLAIN (supposedly) that a creator must have done it. How is that any explanation at all? It doesn't even address your OWN criticism. Who created the creator? Where did this infinitely complex (must be to create all of the universe, right?) creator come from?

[KanadaHye]

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Yet you believe that an invention of man created it all.

Of course, you would be one to believe there is no life form more intelligent than you.

[KanadaHye]

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"You can deny your creator but all you're doing is giving up your birth rights to government. "
Huh? I dont deny my parents. If you think making something from nothing makes no sense then how does the religious version of creation make any sense to you? Arent you contradicting yourself here?

Who created your parents? Their parents before them... and so on.

You do realize the "big bang" theory is just the religious version of creation without the mention of the initial force aka God. The fact is no matter how many blood vessels man attempts to pop in his/her head, the chicken and the egg question can never be solved.

[Haykakan]

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"You can deny your creator but all you're doing is giving up your birth rights to government. "
Huh? I dont deny my parents. If you think making something from nothing makes no sense then how does the religious version of creation make any sense to you? Arent you contradicting yourself here?

[bell-the-cat]

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Last I checked, man did not create the earth or the universe.

Yet you believe that an invention of man created it all.

[KanadaHye]

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KanadaHye you disrespect your own specie for whatever reason by constantly putting it down. Humanity deserves credit for all of its achievments (good and bad). It is utter bs and unfair to just attribute everything good to a imaginery being and blame everything bad on people or another imaginery being. You should give credit to whom credit is due.

Last I checked, man did not create the earth or the universe. It was already here before us. If you believe it all came from nothing then that's your belief. However, realize that mankind can't create something from nothing.

Try to make a pizza without dough, cheese or tomato sauce.

Try to make the dough without yeast or flour... try to make yeast without fungi or flour without wheat...

Try to make the sauce without tomatoes... try to grow tomatoes without soil

Try to make the cheese without milk.... try to make milk without farm animals

The fact is, we can't make something from nothing and everything is here for our discovery and to provide for our livelihood. You can deny your creator but all you're doing is giving up your birth rights to government.

[Haykakan]

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Who am i kissing up to? If you do not think i made any intelligent posts thats because you do not read anything beyond the ankap thread. I have started original topics and threads to so been there doin that and will keep doing it. What are you doing?

Haykakan why are you kissing up to people you don't know
if your trying to be funny, it's not working. What intelligent posts have you made
Be Original for once

KanadaHye you disrespect your own specie for whatever reason by constantly putting it down. Humanity deserves credit for all of its achievments (good and bad). It is utter bs and unfair to just attribute everything good to a imaginery being and blame everything bad on people or another imaginery being. You should give credit to whom credit is due.