Armenian lesbians/gays

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Now we're talking! There is just as much pressure on men to fit into pre-ordained lifestyles, and men perceive that they are valued by their families based upon how much money they earn. Therefore, they may not pursue higher education beyond what they need in order to make enough money to establish themselves as legitimate earners, as "real" men. And women, who don't have that kind of pressure, do go and acquire higher education. But then you end up with this terrible large-scale mismatch. You end up with men who don't have the level of education of the women, and who, as a result, have not had the opportunity to question the beliefs they inherited from their families. Meanwhile that is what happens in 4 year liberal art colleges, and in graduate programs in things other than math, some hard sciences, engineering, etc. If a man hasn't bothered to immerse himself into literature and the humanities, he will have very little in common with a woman who has a degree in political science, or art history, or history, or psychology, or comparative literature. It's a shame, really.

I know many Armenian women who are educated, self-sufficient, independent and who would like to meet Armenian men with whom to make a life. What happens is that, after dating several, they realize they have two choices. Either stay single forever or marry out. Men, by a similar token, end up either marrying women younger than themselves, or women who come from the "old country", or women who are not Armenian. There is still this crazy deluded notion in circulation that, with enough money a man can have any woman he wants.

Armenian men are just as much victims of the system as women are. It's like the tea party folks: They are fighting to the death for causes that are contrary to their own best interest.

Statistically, if you look at education levels, you'll see that women outnumber men in post secondary education. Where do men stand? Usually working in auto plants, production facilities, construction, mining... the dirty but necessary jobs that keep the world going. Companies are hiring women out of college and university by the droves.... it's good for business but bad for society. Pre-ordained? Maybe. However, if you know that there is a filing order and you don't want to be classified in a filing cabinet that someone has made for you then you have to find a way out

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Well, I don't get where Armenian women get off by saying that the men hold them back... in most cases Armenian fathers end up paying for an education for their daughters while the sons pay their own way or go straight to work after high school. At least that's the way I see it in the diaspora. Then the daughters complain about how the Armenian men are uneducated so they end up with odars. Seems like a catch 22 doesn't it.

Now we're talking! There is just as much pressure on men to fit into pre-ordained lifestyles, and men perceive that they are valued by their families based upon how much money they earn. Therefore, they may not pursue higher education beyond what they need in order to make enough money to establish themselves as legitimate earners, as "real" men. And women, who don't have that kind of pressure, do go and acquire higher education. But then you end up with this terrible large-scale mismatch. You end up with men who don't have the level of education of the women, and who, as a result, have not had the opportunity to question the beliefs they inherited from their families. Meanwhile that is what happens in 4 year liberal art colleges, and in graduate programs in things other than math, some hard sciences, engineering, etc. If a man hasn't bothered to immerse himself into literature and the humanities, he will have very little in common with a woman who has a degree in political science, or art history, or history, or psychology, or comparative literature. It's a shame, really.

I know many Armenian women who are educated, self-sufficient, independent and who would like to meet Armenian men with whom to make a life. What happens is that, after dating several, they realize they have two choices. Either stay single forever or marry out. Men, by a similar token, end up either marrying women younger than themselves, or women who come from the "old country", or women who are not Armenian. There is still this crazy deluded notion in circulation that, with enough money a man can have any woman he wants.

Armenian men are just as much victims of the system as women are. It's like the tea party folks: They are fighting to the death for causes that are contrary to their own best interest.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

That's interesting, I didn't see her saying that at all. She simply described the dynamic in her family and expressed a preference for that. Where did she say she defeated the oppressive male system? I don't think she even presented her household growing-up that way.

And if she had said that...
Is it really different from implying that women who don't subscribe to the "traditional" gender roles are promiscuous (and of course that's not the word that was used).

Well, I don't get where Armenian women get off by saying that the men hold them back... in most cases Armenian fathers end up paying for an education for their daughters while the sons pay their own way or go straight to work after high school. At least that's the way I see it in the diaspora. Then the daughters complain about how the Armenian men are uneducated so they end up with odars. Seems like a catch 22 doesn't it.

[Siggie]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Just a lot of arrogance on how she thinks she defeated the "oppressive male system".....and how people who don't subscribe to her agenda are backwards, Taliban folks....

That's interesting, I didn't see her saying that at all. She simply described the dynamic in her family and expressed a preference for that. Where did she say she defeated the oppressive male system? I don't think she even presented her household growing-up that way.

And if she had said that...
Is it really different from implying that women who don't subscribe to the "traditional" gender roles are promiscuous (and of course that's not the word that was used).

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Why do I smell so much anti-elitist sentiment here?

No, just anti Isra-elitist sentiment.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Why do I smell so much anti-elitist sentiment here?

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Because you're biased?

What does that even mean, Mos?

Just a lot of arrogance on how she thinks she defeated the "oppressive male system".....and how people who don't subscribe to her agenda are backwards, Taliban folks....

[Siggie]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Why do I smell so much Feminist arrogance here??

Because you're biased?

What does that even mean, Mos?

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Why do I smell so much Feminist arrogance here??

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Yeah, you come off as angry.