mind and body

[spiral]

I agree, the brain is more like the body of the mind, and it functions through somewhat of a domino effect.

[whitelotus]

the soul(mind) controls the brain which controls the body

like i said earlier. they are forever linked, you cannot have one without the other.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Anonymouse The brain and mind are not the same. If thought arises from the mind, and we agree that the mind is intangible, whether conscious or unconscious thought, it has nothing to do with the brain, the brain being merely a mechanism akin to a computer that doesnt create thought, but only action.

Look, take this fundamentalist crap to another thread where it belongs. Not only do have absolutely no proof that thought does not arise in the brain, nor any proof that the brain and mind are not the same thing, but it isn't relevant to what is being discussed here. We are speaking of a separation of emotion and reason; at least I'm pretty sure that's what spiral is getting at. It took her long enough to make that clear, but I think it is at this point.

[spiral]

Ok, back to as lose put it, ‘separation of emotions and reason’


Apollonian philosophy suggests the power of critical reason,
rather than creative-intuitive- Dionysian philosophy.

And so we have emotions and reasons. Now would you consider yourself to be Apollonian, or Dionysian?

And my initial point was do we need to sacrifice one for the other. I understand that we are able to balance both and bring forth whichever, dependent on the situation. However, do we ultimately choose -to which we give more value to?

My question, would be

If you had to choose between emotions and reason, which would you choose?

Which do you give more value to?

If you choose emotions, it is my understanding that such a person is more likely to be happy, rather then the person who chooses reason. However, still, I would choose reason.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by loseyourname Look, take this fundamentalist crap to another thread where it belongs. Not only do have absolutely no proof that thought does not arise in the brain, nor any proof that the brain and mind are not the same thing, but it isn't relevant to what is being discussed here. We are speaking of a separation of emotion and reason; at least I'm pretty sure that's what spiral is getting at. It took her long enough to make that clear, but I think it is at this point.

Awww is loser threatened? One can say the same about your position as being 'fundamentalist'.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Awww is loser threatened? One can say the same about your position as being 'fundamentalist'.

What position? The position of "I don't know?" How is admitting you don't know everything fundamentalist?

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by spiral Apollonian philosophy suggests the power of critical reason,
rather than creative-intuitive- Dionysian philosophy.

And so we have emotions and reasons. Now would you consider yourself to be Apollonian, or Dionysian?

I really don't see how one could be any good without the other. Reason without emotion would completely stagnate all creativity and leaps of intuition. It would make for a very boring world. Emotion without reason would make for a world in which chaos reigned and nobody would be likely to live very long. The species would die off.

And my initial point was do we need to sacrifice one for the other. I understand that we are able to balance both and bring forth whichever, dependent on the situation. However, do we ultimately choose -to which we give more value to?

My question, would be

If you had to choose between emotions and reason, which would you choose?

Which do you give more value to?

I really don't think you can choose one over the other, nor can you say one is more valuable than the other, at least not in any objective sense. Emotion connects us to the rest of the world on a visceral level, but emotion not tempered by reason is rash and useless.

If you choose emotions, it is my understanding that such a person is more likely to be happy, rather then the person who chooses reason. However, still, I would choose reason.

I don't see how a person who chose emotion would be any happier. Emotions run the gamut and anger and depression and loathing are likely to be prevalent emotions in a person incapable of making rational decisions.

[spiral]

You're looking at this in a much broader frame, than I.

And I'm not asking you to take an objective view on it, I'm asking for your view.

and you did mention earlier that one does infact come in the expense of the other.

and I gave you an example with which you agreed with saying that " he is right to separate the two. Emotion comes at the expense of reason, but that doesn't mean emotion can't be valuable."

I'm not saying that one of the two is invaluable. I'm saying that to different people, one may have more weight than the other.

which goes back to the "mind over body" mentality.


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[Wise]

The human mind evolved to believe in the gods. It did not evolve to believe in biology. Acceptance of the supernatural conveyed a great advantage throughout prehistory, when the brain was evolving. Thus it is in sharp contrast to biology, which was developed as a product of the modern age and is not underwritten by genetic algorithms. The uncomfortable truth is that the two beliefs are not factually compatible. As a result those who hunger for both intellectual and religious truth will never acquire both in full measure.

[Crimson Glow]

Heh....this thread brings some lyrics to mind...

"Over thinking, over analyzing, separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, leaving opportunities behind."

I fit into that category of analyzing everything to death, thus ruining a lot of opportunities my emotions would have liked to have run with. I look at emotions as being irrational, even though I know that's not always the case. Perhaps I do this as a defense mechanism to keep distant from people/situations.



Oh, and Wise's constant nonsensical bible quoting brings a quote to my mind....

"Beliefs allow the mind to cease functioning and closes the mind off to greater possibilities, including the possibility that you are dead wrong on any given subject at any given moment. Believe in NOTHING!" (Me - Club of Armenians; 12:17)