mind and body

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by spiral ah yes, you put both reason and emotions into one category.

No, I didn't. I just connect them to one origin of all conscious and unconscious thought processes. Emotions are at least partially connected to certain endocrine glands in the body as well, but they are still primarily of the mind.

well let's, -hypothetically, or even metaphorically speaking,- connect emotions with body, and reason with mind.

What have I changed?

If you are going to make arbitrary classifications that have no basis in reality, then say so at the outset of the thread and you can avoid the misunderstandings. Had you made a thread titled "Reason vs. Emotion," I think we all would have known exactly what you were talking about.

the discussion is over.

No discussion is ever over until I've had the last word.

[spiral]

Originally posted by loseyourname

If you are going to make arbitrary classifications that have no basis in reality, then say so at the outset of the thread and you can avoid the misunderstandings. Had you made a thread titled "Reason vs. Emotion," I think we all would have known exactly what you were talking about.

So what exactly did you understand by "Mind over body" when you responded to this thread?

No discussion is ever over until I've had the last word.

Have you heard of the myth about Echo?

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by spiral So what exactly did you understand by "Mind over body" when you responded to this thread?

Mental over physical - exactly what the terms mean.

Have you heard of the myth about Echo?

Of course. Narcissus has nothing on me.

[Wise]

Originally posted by loseyourname I moved the rest of his posts to another thread.

Wise, please stay on topic and try to actually address the points being given you. You've been doing nothing but insulting people and preaching since you got here, in almost every thread. Give it a rest or you will receive further warning points.

Ok Loseyourname Deal! But promise me that you will never and ever delete my posts or threads! it is really not fair!!! you cant just delete them that easily!! You are A Modertator not junior member!

I always stay on topic but sometimes we need to Moke on eachother for a little action!! and I ask Wisely to take my warning points OUT!

so Welcome to the Wisdom Quotes THread! I try to be selective in picking quotes, including only those quotes that I find challenging or inspiring or interesting -- in other words, reflecting my own tastes and philosophy...
Reform is affirmative, conservatism negative; conservatism goes for comfort, reform for truth.
Our minds are like certain vehicles, -- when they have little to carry they make much noise about it, but when heavily loaded they run quietly.
We ought, in humanity, no more to despise a man for the misfortunes of the mind than for those of the body, when they are such as he cannot help; were this thoroughly considered we should no more laugh at a man for having his brains cracked than for having his head broke
I learn that It is the mind that makes the body rich....
A weak mind is like a microscope, which magnifies trifling things, but cannot receive great ones...
The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven
The blessing of an active mind, when it is in a good condition, is, that it not only emplys itself, but is almost sure to be the means of giving wholesome employment to others. ...
The mind grows narrow in proportion as the soul grows corrupt

Mind unemployed is mind unenjoyed
There is nothing so elastic as the human mind. Like imprisoned steam, the more it is pressed the more it rises to resist the pressure. The more we are obliged to do, the more we are able to accomplish .

[sleuth]

Mind is very powerfull...It never ceases to amaze me how very powerful the brain (mind) and subsequently the nervous system are. As a child and still to this day I still drive myself crazy through the cyclical thought process of how the brain and nervous system work, and their capabilities and capacities. Throughout this thought process I also realize that such thoughts themselves were all coming from the same place, (obviously) however when one actually sits and considers the authority that the brain and nervous system have over the body, it is overwhelming(ex: Parkinsone disease neurologic disorder).

I do feel that the brain is all encompassing for without it, we would not be able to think or fathom such things. I cannot count how many times, as a lefty, I have been told to attempt to use the other side of my brain, or how many times people have stated the idea that the average human being only uses ten percent of their brain capacity. To me I was always baffled by such a statistic considering how much information we store on a daily basis, in memory, and simple material picked up throughout life. If the brain only functions at ten percent, where is that other ninety percent going, and will we ever really use it, or are we even meant to use it? Currently, my own brain is shooting out ideas and notions as I write this and simultaneously striking many ideas down in the process, which to me clearly signifies that it is somewhat busy enough in concentration to even access more capacity.
In class we are told to be incorrect quite often, but what defines incorrect? Since it is merely the brain and nervous system that created the "right" and "wrong," than what or who is to judge accuracy? I say "what," because a "who" is functioning within the realm of the brain and nervous system. I find it impossible to truly find any sort of condolence in this course, because all it will do is force me to think and analyze exactly what makes me think and analyze. This, in my mind, is amazing, yet, equally frightening. The brain and nervous system are all powerful and encompassing, and the debate that will forever run on in my head regardless of what is learned is how strong and powerful the brain and nervous system actually are, if there will ever be a way to harness them, and should we want to? .
I think mind is powerfull ,ther is no doubt about it...but there is also something that controls mind...what the hell is that?body , mind and...something...

[Crimson Glow]

What intrigues me more is why some are capable of such thoughts, while others get confused when even attempting to understand. The vast diversity between those that just go through the motions of daily survival, and those that ponder every espect of those motions is fascinating. What sparks this interest or higher notion of consciousness? What forces the constant persuit of the possibilities?

I'll have these spells where I literally go through dozens of thoughts within a mere second or two. Before one idea has fully developed, another is born because of it, or is shot down by a better argument in the debate being held within my mind. For visual purposes, I guess it would be best described this way. Imagine a drop of ink starting somewhere on a blank page. the ink runs down the page in a straight line, then very quickly starts branching off into mulitiple directions, each succeeding branch forming multiple branches of its own, and so on. A never ending extension. This is what it feels like, only it's taking place in milliseconds.

This can be exhilirating, but often times, horrifying. For example, the thoughts that we are nothing more then chemical reactions reactiong to other chemical reactions. I can't really explain the overwhelming sensations through words. There are none to do them justice. But it is amazing to say the least, and saddening to think most will never experience this.

[sSsflamesSs]

To be honest, I haven't really been following up on this thread, but the last two posts caught my attention.

Sleuth, you hinted at this, and it might be going slightly off topic, and unto another topic that we have discussed before in another thread, but not too much.

You said, "there is also something that controls mind...what the hell is that?body , mind and...something..."

I have thought of this many times before, and for me, the answer is the soul. According to Loser (if I remember correctly), the soul has no biological basis, and therefore, has weak, if any, validity. If I am wrong about this, then my appologies, Loser.

I dare say that no two people have ever had the same exact set of thoughts and feelings. But how can this be? If we are all biological beings, living machines, if you will, then how can this be possible? If our thoughts are truly the products of certain chemical reactions, then shouldn't there be a limit as to what we can think and cannot think? Yet look at humankind. True, the majority are stupid sheep that mumble their way through the daily grind, not giving much thought as to why we're here and if there's anything more beyond the material world, and other such thoughts (as Crimson said). But there are those, that keep on exploring, that keep on discovering new knowledge, as to suggest that there is no real limit to our thoughts.

I am not exactly sure to the exact percentage, but let's just say that sleuth's given 10% of brain use is a close estimate. What the hell is the other 90% for? Will we ever become so enlightened as to use it? What's the use in the existence of this 90%? Such things always make me wonder about the undiscovered, yet to be uncovered. That which is unexplained simply means that the knowledge for its explanation has not yet been discovered.

And how do our thoughts control our body? If thoughts truly are the end product of certain chemicals and neurotransmitters and such, then if you keep going back to the main source of the chain reaction, what will you find? What is the ultimate starting point of each thought?

[sleuth]

Sleuth, you hinted at this, and it might be going slightly off topic, and unto another topic that we have discussed before in another thread, but not too much.

My apologize flame

I was trying to explain the connection between mind,body and soul ...i was waiting for someone who will mention that ...
when we talk or debate,we share our thoughts,it's kind of mental houseclean,it helps you to cut the junk and throw it away.

Back to topic...probably i was slightly off topic but mind,body spirit,god they all are linked...

If the natural world is radically divided into the mental and the physical such that the physical is extended in space and the mental is not, and if the nature of causality is such that causes and effects must have a necessary connection and be of a similar type, then mind/body dualism is obviously untenable.But there is too much contradictions....In my point of view nature is divided into spiritual and physical.And us long as we belong to materialistic word it's hard to comprehend nature of spirit...( the brain only functions at ten percent)

The idea that everything is in the brain is interesting to me. This notion makes me rethink life. What if life is a manefestation of the brain? Imagine if this journey called life is just a test, and that some outside being is observing our behavior and interactions and forming a "summary of observations".
Something has power over our thoughts,mind,soul,body...and body is just a shell to take an experiment,test our earthly life...I think there is something beyond materia and that outside being decided 10% of our brain capacity is enough to survive our earthly,materialistic life and prove ourselfs...it's like a test of quality ..i know it sounds uncanny ...can you imagine if our brain was able to function 100%?I do belive there will be time and space for choosen once to live their lifes one 100% using their own brain...(why choosen once??? to avoid all <<phatogenic bacterias>> .. for example Mendeleyev created the quest for the elements,it should serve humanity and it does but evil- minded ppl use it to satisfy their pathetic,cruel ambition, ardent desire to be powerful).

[sleuth]

Originally posted by loseyourname

you will take reason over emotion?? why?

HUMAN reason has this peculiar fate that in one species of its knowledge it is burdened by questions which, as prescribed by the very nature of reason itself, it is not able to ignore, but which, as transcending all its powers, it is also
not able to answer.
lose i miss your point"" reason over emotion""

emotion is more pure than reason

HUMAN REASON is architectonic...we creat reason and us i said befor reason is corrapted hehehehe

btw you deleted some of my posts may i ask you why???be fair don't move or edit something that you don't like..that's childish

[spiral]

If the brain only functions at ten percent, where is that other ninety percent going, and will we ever really use it, or are we even meant to use it?

You use all of your brain. It's not that you only use 10 percent of it, it's that you use ten percent of your brain at a time.