Arvestaked's Satanic Bible Preaching, etc...

[sSsflamesSs]

Except for the whole stupidity thing, you probably have been for quite some time.

Yay! I'm a stupid good Satanist! Since you claim that usual good Satanists are not stupid, wouldn't being a stupid good Satanist make me unique?

[anileve]

I found this fascinating.

The Temple of Set is a sectarian split from the Church of Satan, and therefore the two religions hold very similar beliefs. For example both stress the path to individual self-improvement, and worship themselves as the highest being. However, Setians broke from the main-line denomination claiming that the true pursuit of satanist ideals had been lost. This occurred in 1975, when Anton LaVey made the decision to reshape the Church of Satan into what the Setians claim is a non-functional vehicle for his personal expression, exploitation, and financial income. Michael A Aquino lead a group of members that rejected this decision and immediately resigned from the Church in protest. They combined to create the sectarian movement known as the Temple of Set.

The roots of the beliefs of the Temple are prehistoric originating from the first sense of "self-consciousness" that sets humanity apart from all other known life forms. The original Priesthood of Set survived in ancient Egypt through twenty-five recorded dynasties. However, the religion eventually died out and Set, the pre-satanic deity was later recast as an evil principle. The present day sect, the Temple of Set, revives the ancient ideals represented in Set. This entity which stands separate and apart from the forces of the natural universe is often portrayed as a man with the head of an animal, typically a hyena (Satanism 2).

Unlike conventional religions, the Temple of Set stresses the role of the individual. Members of the Temple desire the psyche to live, to experience and to continue. They believe that consciousness can evolve towards its own divinity through deliberate exercise of the intelligence and Will, a process through which one may find their own roots. For these reasons the Temple is against any actions that serve only to numb the mind such as drugs, masses, and entertainment (Satanism 1).

However, while the Church of Satan interpreted the worship of ones self as the engagement in indulgence, the Temple stresses the worship of individualism. The goal of each member is to recognize, appreciate and actualize their own entire self or soul. This process is called _Xeper_(Satanism 7). Setians pursue _Xeper_ through many different means but especially communication with one another. Setians are also strongly advised to pursue a wide variety of secular interests outside of the Church in order to fully develop themselves as an individual (Satanism 7).

http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/satanism/tempset_arch.html

So satanists engage in indulgence, such as sex, drugs, parties. Wouldn't MTV channel be central station of the satanists then?

I like the whole idea of the Temple which stresses the worship of individualism. However, it is still a cult and I don't condone any sort of organized religion. Basically this is a branch of an ancient Egyptian religion.

Apparently Seth was an evil brother of Osiris, who tricked and murdered him. The sect ceased to exist, but apparently was revived by this group of nutcases.

http://members.aol.com/egyptart/seth.html

Also check out their homepage, very intriguing design.

http://www.xeper.org/pub/xp_main.htm

[dusken]

I found this fascinating.

http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/satanism/tempset_arch.html

So satanists engage in indulgence, such as sex, drugs, parties. Wouldn't MTV channel be central station of the satanists then?

I like the whole idea of the Temple which stresses the worship of individualism. However, it is still a cult and I don't condone any sort of organized religion. Basically this is a branch of an ancient Egyptian religion.

Apparently Seth was an evil brother of Osiris, who tricked and murdered him. The sect ceased to exist, but apparently was revived by this group of nutcases.

http://members.aol.com/egyptart/seth.html

Also check out their homepage, very intriguing design.

http://www.xeper.org/pub/xp_main.htm

Well, first of all, neither "The Satanic Bible" or the "Satanic Rituals" promotes or discourages drug use. "Thou shalt..." is against Satanic principles. However, you may refer to the description of the Ninth Enochian Key for a mention of it. My interpretation of the "religion" would expect that it would be inconsistent with the idea of power to the self as you are potentially ceding control of your body to something other than yourself.

Indulgence however is encouraged. This is no secret. Anton LaVey was honest about that from the beginning...from the Satanic Bible. If it took the members of the Temple a membership to the church to realize that then I do not know what to say about their intellectual abilities. LaVey, in the bible, promotes indulgence and justifies it through Satanic philosophy. In addition, though, he condems the idea of using Satanism purely for sexual indulgence. He comments on people joining Satanic organizations just for the orgy with out actually adopting the ideas entirely.

Masses and rituals, and this is also not fine print in any way, are there as a tool to mock organized Judeo-Christian religion. They have that purpose among others that are based in the power of self-deceit.

[violette829]

I would like to have a basic understanding of Satanism. If you could, please explain to me why would you follow the teachings of Satan, when you are against religion or any organized "cult".

Please be serious Dusken. I promise this is just for my own knowledge. I want to understand you.

[dusken]

I would like to have a basic understanding of Satanism. If you could, please explain to me why would you follow the teachings of Satan, when you are against religion or any organized "cult".

Please be serious Dusken. I promise this is just for my own knowledge. I want to understand you.

Let us keep in mind, and I have said this before, I am not a Satanist...at least not entirely. So do not ask me what motivates people to join The Church of Satan or perscribe to the methods of the philosophy.

Now, nobody is following teachings of Satan. Satan had no teachings and Satanism does not believe he exists anyway. The do not believe Satan exists, God exists, heaven exists or hell exists. If you want to know to a satisfactory degree of depth what Satanism as described by LaVey is, this is an entire thread dedicated to it. Start from the beginning. I talked about a lot of things and addressed a lot of misconceptions.

This "religion" is set up to mock organized religion by parodying Christian rites. The ideas are based on self-deceit to show that your view of reality is entirely personal and you can perceive individual power if you like. These rituals are acts for promoting and worshipping yourself as opposed to another God.

[violette829]

Anarchy meets George Carlin comedy.

[anileve]

Well, first of all, neither "The Satanic Bible" or the "Satanic Rituals" promotes or discourages drug use. "Thou shalt..." is against Satanic principles. However, you may refer to the description of the Ninth Enochian Key for a mention of it. My interpretation of the "religion" would expect that it would be inconsistent with the idea of power to the self as you are potentially ceding control of your body to something other than yourself.

Indulgence however is encouraged. This is no secret. Anton LaVey was honest about that from the beginning...from the Satanic Bible. If it took the members of the Temple a membership to the church to realize that then I do not know what to say about their intellectual abilities. LaVey, in the bible, promotes indulgence and justifies it through Satanic philosophy. In addition, though, he condems the idea of using Satanism purely for sexual indulgence. He comments on people joining Satanic organizations just for the orgy with out actually adopting the ideas entirely.

Masses and rituals, and this is also not fine print in any way, are there as a tool to mock organized Judeo-Christian religion. They have that purpose among others that are based in the power of self-deceit.

Whether it's a mockery of the organized Judeo-Christian religion or not, there is a thin line between a rebellion and a cult involved. Those that dedicate themselves to rebelling against the “main-stream” religions usually become intoxicated with the power after the concept gains a following and decide to transform their “innocent” plan into a network which spreads its tentacles and develops into a cult. Ideas usually start out well, but after they gain a significant recognition they become infused with corruption. Just as Christianity was based on a sacred belief, it was later turned into an instrument of manipulation and a political gain.

The moment a group of followers grows, individualism slowly dilutes and conditioning takes over. Masses often include people of rational and irrational thinking, and monitoring them becomes more difficult, corruption occurs and some people manipulate the system. As it is with Satanists. So where as the concept might be of a noble nature, it still involves rituals and traditions and is subjected to various interpretations which can later turn into malicious acts.

The only “religion” I admire is Buddhism. The reason being that it's more of a philosophy rather than a bundle of rules and rituals. It is an exploration of an individual through personal experiences and a spiritual growth, where one really understands the concepts through logic and questioning.

So in other words, Satanism, be it mockery or not, still adheres to the definition of a sect. And is nothing short of an organized religion used to condition the masses. Oh look, I just sounded like Anon. I need to say a prayer.

[dusken]

Whether it's a mockery of the organized Judeo-Christian religion or not, there is a thin line between a rebellion and a cult involved. Those that dedicate themselves to rebelling against the “main-stream” religions usually become intoxicated with the power after the concept gains a following and decide to transform their “innocent” plan into a network which spreads its tentacles and develops into a cult. Ideas usually start out well, but after they gain a significant recognition they become infused with corruption. Just as Christianity was based on a sacred belief, it was later turned into an instrument of manipulation and a political gain.

The moment a group of followers grows, individualism slowly dilutes and conditioning takes over. Masses often include people of rational and irrational thinking, and monitoring them becomes more difficult, corruption occurs and some people manipulate the system. As it is with Satanists. So where as the concept might be of a noble nature, it still involves rituals and traditions and is subjected to various interpretations which can later turn into malicious acts.

So in other words, Satanism, be it mockery or not, still adheres to the definition of a sect. And is nothing short of an organized religion used to condition the masses. Oh look, I just sounded like Anon. I need to say a prayer.

These are presumptuous generalities with no basis in the observation of Satanism.

The Church of Satan and Satanism are seperate entities. The Church is a tax paying organization which is not needed (and it is stated as such) to be a Satanist. It is even said that some rituals can be performed alone.

Conditioning the masses? Your definition of conditioning the masses can be applied to any philosophy that is published or presented publicly. The whole idea of it is telling people they are an individual and do not need to be part of anything, including the organization referred to as The Church of Satan. In any case, you cannot make claims as to the intent of a philosophy by the potential of certain people to lose their sense of individuality as a result of any given scenrio, especially when the philosophy has virtually nothing to gain from the acceptance of that philosophy.

The only “religion” I admire is Buddhism. The reason being that it's more of a philosophy rather than a bundle of rules and rituals. It is an exploration of an individual through personal experiences and a spiritual growth, where one really understands the concepts through logic and questioning.

Buddhism is cute. That is all. There is this big fad of respecting Buddhism more than any other religion. The fact remains that it has rules and it has faith. That makes it a religion. And, in my book, adopting someone elses faith is stupid. Period. People just like it because it is not really preached and imposed. Anyhow, the more admirable aspects of Buddhism are correlated with Satanism.

[Anonymouse]

I move for a motion for the admin to change dusken's name to "The Dusken".

[dusken]

Are you ever going to correct the spelling of "atheist" in your signature?

I am flattered that you enjoy my alias so much. It is one of my favorite words as well.