What is unity good for?

[loseyourname]

This begs the question for how can you preserve the nation if you don't want to preserve the culture? Nation can mean many things, from the State, to the actual culture.

I mean the preservation of some continuous political structure that will allow me the freedom to continue living my life along the lines I plan to live it on. All this means is that United States of America continues to exist without too much upheaval or fighting.

That is my point you marry someone who is more like you culturally than otherwise, and language is the biggest marker of culture.

Of course, and you just said you hold more American values than most Americans. So why not simply marry someone with similar values, Armenian or not?

There are no books that say "multicultural empires always fail", that is something that one can learn from history by looking in between the pages. Once you understand history, and how it works ( the process ) you can easily see this too.

My point is only that you were not born with this belief. You acquired it at some point during the course of your studies.

And what is this individual we are altruistic toward has our own genes but another way of rephrasing that we share likenesses and seek those that share the same, since by far the Swede has more in common with the Swede. Your type of relativism and thinking implies there are no such things as cultures, whereas we clearly see marked racial and cultural differneces. If what you are saying is true, there would have been a monoculture on earth long ago.

Look, I'm speaking of altruism in the animal kingdom. Altruism is humans is a little more complex, but the instinct remains the same. You are more likely to lay down your life for a brother than for a cousin, more likely for a cousin than for a fellow Armenian, and more likely for a fellow Armenian than for a Moroccan - instinctually, anyway. There is more that goes into human altruism than instinct alone. I would imagine how much you actually like the person plays into it as well.

My type of thinking does not imply the non-existence of culture. I have no idea how you are making that leap.

The first people you should say that too is the Mexicans. The point is just because you think that should happen, does not mean it is going to happen, numbers and demographics are everything and the centrifugal forces of history are playing about.

I do say that to the Mexicans. But remember, the same thing being said about the Mexicans was being said about the Irish, was being said about the Jews, and was being said about the Japanese. All of these groups have added far more to the American dynamic than they have taken from it.

You know I am more "American" than many "Americans" are. I am a hardocre laissez-faire capitalist. I speak better English than most, and I am more true to the original principles of a Republic, than most "Americans", yet at the same time, I don't feel that bond or being drawn to it, as I do with my Armenian heritage.

I am glad. I consider you to be more than a fit citizen, and more of you is exactly what this nation needs.

But the more proper question is, how have the political and economic changes occured in relation to the changing face of America? What will happen when in 2050 there is a majority non-white America?

Being white isn't what matters. As long as the majority hold American values and a common political agenda, the nation will stand.

[Darorinag]

Hey lose, why are you ignoring my PM?

[loseyourname]

I'm not. I did what you asked.

[Darorinag]

So can we start talking about the holocaust now? Better than evolution, which has nothing whatsoever to do with unity. Or does it?

[loseyourname]

We are discussing whether or not there exists an innate biological instinct toward the preservation of culture. If you want to comment on that, feel free.

[Darorinag]

And how is that relevant to unity?

[loseyourname]

It's ultimately a discussion of whether or not cultural unity is instinctual or learned.

[Darorinag]

Well, that's evolutionary talk and doesn't have much to do with the initial post.

[Tres Bien]

Unity is important, just like ones own family is important.
We need unity only because we need eachother to be strong!

[Anonymouse]

I mean the preservation of some continuous political structure that will allow me the freedom to continue living my life along the lines I plan to live it on. All this means is that United States of America continues to exist without too much upheaval or fighting.

How does a political structure allow freedom? That is untrue. Political structures aim at curtailing freedom.

Of course, and you just said you hold more American values than most Americans. So why not simply marry someone with similar values, Armenian or not?

It's a bit more complex than that. I already explained I am not drawn to American culture, even though I understand it.

My point is only that you were not born with this belief. You acquired it at some point during the course of your studies.

First you said culture is taught, then when I explained that, you say the pattern of multicultural empires collapsing is taught. Culture is innate to man, it isn't taught, for how could have the first man taught himself culture? It is inborn in people, the capacity to, that is. And throughout the globe and history different "races" have produced very different cultures, as cultures are a form of expression.

Look, I'm speaking of altruism in the animal kingdom. Altruism is humans is a little more complex, but the instinct remains the same. You are more likely to lay down your life for a brother than for a cousin, more likely for a cousin than for a fellow Armenian, and more likely for a fellow Armenian than for a Moroccan - instinctually, anyway. There is more that goes into human altruism than instinct alone. I would imagine how much you actually like the person plays into it as well.

That is what I was referring, perhaps that instinctive trait is not as strong as those of eating, and sex, but they are prevalent nonetheless.

I do say that to the Mexicans. But remember, the same thing being said about the Mexicans was being said about the Irish, was being said about the Jews, and was being said about the Japanese. All of these groups have added far more to the American dynamic than they have taken from it.

These are all so subjective as to how one interprets them that one can construct another model detailing how Jews and Mexicans do not assimilate but stick to their own.

Being white isn't what matters. As long as the majority hold American values and a common political agenda, the nation will stand.

This goes back to the basic. There will be some non-whites that will hold American beliefs, but for the most part, others won't as this is alien to them. This goes back to the idea that culture is a product of the people that create it. This idea of a liberal constitutional republic, or what not, is a mainly European idea. It has worked well for Western Europeans but it cannot work for others, as that culture is foreign to them and doesn't reflect them. Take a look at Rome. Towards it's latter day we witnessed the barbarization of the Roman Empire, in which the barbarians became more Romanized, and the Romans became more barbarized, and as the original Romans disappeared, those who called themselves "Romans" were in reality a pale comparison to the original creators of that Republic, and so could not understand the principles that culture laid down, and so hence it shifted away from its original precepts as that previous idea, or culture, did not reflect the new peoples.