Films, Jews, Armenians....

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

Isn't Armenia a "white" country?

u must understand this, America has lots of powerful jewish people involved in politics and media, and what u expect are they going to do? use ur braincells and ull see what i mean.

[loseyourname]

u must understand this, America has lots of powerful jewish people involved in politics and media, and what u expect are they going to do? use ur braincells and ull see what i mean.

I expect are they going to use whatever power they have to promote their agenda, same as any other ethnic group. Hell, the central doctrine of their common faith is that they alone are God's chosen people. I don't trust anyone that believes that, whether they be Mormon, Muslim, Jewish, or Branch Davidian. What does this have to do with the statement that "all white countries" are controlled by Jews?

[dusken]

You're missing the point. I don't give a crap about artistic value of either of these movies.

The fact is that both of these movies are propagandas, this way or the other.
The point of propaganda is to gain and penetrate as much targeted audience as possible.

the Armenian film fails partially because Egoyan tries to squeeze in his "artistic stuff". Believe me, if artistic expression was the point of either of these stories, Roman Polanski (the guy who rapes a 13 year old in Jack Nicholson's house) would have a lot more of a wild imagination than Egoyan....

Yes, absolutely! I want it be shytty, cheesy, formulaic or whatever you want to call it, as long as it maximizes the amount of people that will watch it and will spread the word, ..... because without the people's sympathy you will not get the genocide recognized. We consist of a small country, with no significant natural resources, with a tiny number of Armenians spread all over the world (who use any opportunity to differentiate themselves from the OTHER kind of Armenian)

The ONLY tool we have is sympathy of the world. And yes, I do think if Armenians can get that sympathy, we should commercialize on it, build memorials in every major city, use the money to lobby politicians for Armenian interests, and use this sympathy in our advantage 100% shamelessly.

I like how the ability to commit a felony makes someone more creative than another.

You are missing the point. On the one hand you implied that "The Pianist" was a better film and on the other hand you say that you do not care about the art. Pick your argument. If you do not care about the art in film, then you can only express your disappointment in the value of its propaganda. Do not pass creative judgment. If you do not care about or understand what "Ararat" was trying to do then just say so. But I am tired of people popping up like they are a combination of a historian and a film critic to tell everyone how pissed they are that Armenians do not have the resources and support that Jews do and that we do not have sell-out, artistically inept Speilbergs and the like. Egoyan is not "squeezing in his artistic stuff." He is an artist. He is an artist with a style and a passion. Just because a movie has propaganda in it does not mean that it needs to be one hundred percent propaganda or it will be watered-down or evasive. "The point of propaganda?" How about you think of it in terms of it being a movie dealing with a historical event and let the writer/director decide what the point of his film is. Keep crying at the fact that "Ararat" was aimed at the intellectual community and not the common warts. All of the people that praise those Jewish propaganda films are either dumb, Jewish, or afraid to lose their jobs. On a longer time line blatant propaganda is useless. The only tool we have is sympathy? That is bullshyt. Kirk Kerkorian does not own Las Vegas because people feel sorry for Armenians; it is because he was clever. If you seek to get recognition in the world purely by mindless acts of fishing for sympathy because you have no faith in cleverness and iconoclasts, your are going to bite your own ass because people will not care unless they respect you to begin with. Iconoclasts make the difference and always have. We would have a lot more to gain if we gave them the field to play on.

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

I expect are they going to use whatever power they have to promote their agenda, same as any other ethnic group. Hell, the central doctrine of their common faith is that they alone are God's chosen people. I don't trust anyone that believes that, whether they be Mormon, Muslim, Jewish, or Branch Davidian. What does this have to do with the statement that "all white countries" are controlled by Jews?

Well America is enough for them to control the whole world.
And yes they are God's chosen people, because they have been hatred from all times. From times of Faraos and until WWII it was shame to be Jew, so with the holocaust they conquered the world. They managed to create country from nothing. And when i something dont take it directly as it is, Jesus, it's a way of expression.

And this is my final post about this thread, dont answer me back pls and dont piss me off. So far my day is great. And all the above are only my views and perspectives.

[loseyourname]

And when i something dont take it directly as it is, Jesus, it's a way of expression.

You didn't say it. Mousy did.

[anileve]

I like how the ability to commit a felony makes someone more creative than another.

You are missing the point. On the one hand you implied that "The Pianist" was a better film and on the other hand you say that you do not care about the art. Pick your argument. If you do not care about the art in film, then you can only express your disappointment in the value of its propaganda. Do not pass creative judgment. If you do not care about or understand what "Ararat" was trying to do then just say so. But I am tired of people popping up like they are a combination of a historian and a film critic to tell everyone how pissed they are that Armenians do not have the resources and support that Jews do and that we do not have sell-out, artistically inept Speilbergs and the like. Egoyan is not "squeezing in his artistic stuff." He is an artist. He is an artist with a style and a passion. Just because a movie has propaganda in it does not mean that it needs to be one hundred percent propaganda or it will be watered-down or evasive. "The point of propaganda?" How about you think of it in terms of it being a movie dealing with a historical event and let the writer/director decide what the point of his film is. Keep crying at the fact that "Ararat" was aimed at the intellectual community and not the common warts. All of the people that praise those Jewish propaganda films are either dumb, Jewish, or afraid to lose their jobs. On a longer time line blatant propaganda is useless. The only tool we have is sympathy? That is bullshyt. Kirk Kerkorian does not own Las Vegas because people feel sorry for Armenians; it is because he was clever. If you seek to get recognition in the world purely by mindless acts of fishing for sympathy because you have no faith in cleverness and iconoclasts, your are going to bite your own ass because people will not care unless they respect you to begin with. Iconoclasts make the difference and always have. We would have a lot more to gain if we gave them the field to play on.

BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[patlajan]

I like how the ability to commit a felony makes someone more creative than another.

You are missing the point. On the one hand you implied that "The Pianist" was a better film and on the other hand you say that you do not care about the art. Pick your argument. If you do not care about the art in film, then you can only express your disappointment in the value of its propaganda. Do not pass creative judgment. If you do not care about or understand what "Ararat" was trying to do then just say so. But I am tired of people popping up like they are a combination of a historian and a film critic to tell everyone how pissed they are that Armenians do not have the resources and support that Jews do and that we do not have sell-out, artistically inept Speilbergs and the like. Egoyan is not "squeezing in his artistic stuff." He is an artist. He is an artist with a style and a passion. Just because a movie has propaganda in it does not mean that it needs to be one hundred percent propaganda or it will be watered-down or evasive. "The point of propaganda?" How about you think of it in terms of it being a movie dealing with a historical event and let the writer/director decide what the point of his film is. Keep crying at the fact that "Ararat" was aimed at the intellectual community and not the common warts. All of the people that praise those Jewish propaganda films are either dumb, Jewish, or afraid to lose their jobs. On a longer time line blatant propaganda is useless. The only tool we have is sympathy? That is bullshyt. Kirk Kerkorian does not own Las Vegas because people feel sorry for Armenians; it is because he was clever. If you seek to get recognition in the world purely by mindless acts of fishing for sympathy because you have no faith in cleverness and iconoclasts, your are going to bite your own ass because people will not care unless they respect you to begin with. Iconoclasts make the difference and always have. We would have a lot more to gain if we gave them the field to play on.

The satanist is not afriad to take on anyone. Oh and plus he's an artist. Oh wow two free spirits for the price of one. The pianist was more interesting to watch. Egoyan couldn't get over himself for two minutes so he made some cult classic piece of crap to show off, instead of doing a service to his people by making a film that will be popular.

[dusken]

The satanist is not afriad to take on anyone. Oh and plus he's an artist. Oh wow two free spirits for the price of one. The pianist was more interesting to watch. Egoyan couldn't get over himself for two minutes so he made some cult classic piece of crap to show off, instead of doing a service to his people by making a film that will be popular.

You, among others, are in the habit of convincing yourself that by saying I am an artist and a Satanist you are somehow being clever and posing and intelligent argument simultaneously. It is not so.

The Piantist was meaningless nonsense.

"Egoyan couldn't get over himself for two minutes?" Congratulations on trivializing all of his prior accomplishments. The very accomplishments that made him deserving of the money it took to make Ararat, which was, for the record, less than half that of The Piantist. The same accomplishments that have made him the only Armenian to get him such high recognition at the Cannes film festival. The same accomplishments that put him in such a place that he is the only living Armenian filmmaker that can be accepted as a true genius. Oh, wait. That is right. I forgot that everyone in the Armenian community knows better than him. I wonder: why did he not make a movie that alone would have ruined everything he had achieved up until this point. "Service to his people?" How about his people be proud of him and not assume that his heritage obliges him to live for everyone other than hmiself. If Armenians, or any one else, did not put the weight of a tear-jerking, epic peice of crap on his shoulders and just waited and watched the movie as just another film, he would probably get more respect and we would not seem like such a whiney, obsessive group of people. But what do I know? I am not an eggplant. You have a lot more seeds and pulp to think with than I do.

[patlajan]

I wonder: why did he not make a movie that alone would have ruined everything he had achieved up until this point. "Service to his people?" How about his people be proud of him and not assume that his heritage obliges him to live for everyone other than hmiself. If Armenians, or any one else, did not put the weight of a tear-jerking, epic peice of crap on his shoulders and just waited and watched the movie as just another film, he would probably get more respect and we would not seem like such a whiney, obsessive group of people. But what do I know? I am not an eggplant. You have a lot more seeds and pulp to think with than I do.

The word duty must be omitted in the satanist dictionary and guide to self indulgent living. Ararat was a flop. You can pull all the little artistic awards out of your ass it will not make it any less of a flop. The movie may have been well crafted from a director's perspective, but directors don't fill movie theaters. Egoyan let everybody down. When the majority of the audience going to see his stupid student film is Armenian that is what is called a FLOP. Today no one knows more about the genocide then before the movie.

[loseyourname]

You know guys, I'm not too sure that Egoyan was making this movie for you. It was his movie. I haven't seen it, so I'm not going to comment on it. Still, it isn't fair to judge a movie on its box-office appeal or its propaganda value. The medium is still an art-form to some directors (thankfully) and I'm glad it is. The film should rightfully be judge on its artistic merit. That is not self-indulgent. It is self-indulgent to think that every film made about a topic important to you should somehow serve your interests rather than the interests of the people actually involved in making it.

By the way, I loved The Sweet Hereafter. It was a graceful, well-acted, character-driven film, understated and probing. If Ararat was anything like it, I'm sure it was well worth seeing, even if the bulk of Hollywood movie-goers would rather watch Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller compete for the world's stupidest man award.