Films, Jews, Armenians....

[Tres Bien]

"The whole point of these types of films is to move people..which they do".

its more to make money that they make these holocaoust movies , like ten each year.

Its funny how the show it on television while jews are murdering and harrasing the non-jewish population that lives in Israel.

[Anonymouse]

Well, they gotta meet the quota of Holocaust films for this decade. Let's see what Hollywood will pop up with next.

I vividly remember that day when Marlon Brando chided Jews on Larry King because they run Hollywood, he was made to apologize and wear the yamulka as he apologized. Behold the power of Jewry.

[dusken]

I loved Marlon Brando for that. They made a joke about it, on SNL I believe. Norm MacDonald was doing the fake news and said something to the following effect: "Marlon Brando was made to appologize this week for making a comment about Jews owning Hollywood. Shortly after his appologie, he was allowed to begin working again."

[Darorinag]

Well, they gotta meet the quota of Holocaust films for this decade.

And what's that? 6 million?

[nimda]

Admin:

This is ridiculous. Did you just compare the artistic brilliance of "Ararat" to the Hollywood trash of "The Pianist"? This is why we will go nowhere in terms of respect; the Armenians cannot even apprectiate their own people's artistic expression or anything they choose to do differently. Any attempt to push the art boulder and break new ground is frowned upon. What do you want film to do? You want our genocide to be depicted by shytty, formulaic Hollywood movies designed as political tools with the sole purpose of drawing empty sympathy out of people? Phuck that. I would like to be respected as people who deal with things artistically and cleverly and not fishers of cheap sympathy with tired cinematic tools.

This is what I wrote about Ararat...



This is what another person, who is knowledgeable and who's opinion I respect, wrote about it (and I believe he is Jewish)....

You're missing the point. I don't give a crap about artistic value of either of these movies.

The fact is that both of these movies are propagandas, this way or the other.
The point of propaganda is to gain and penetrate as much targeted audience as possible.

the Armenian film fails partially because Egoyan tries to squeeze in his "artistic stuff". Believe me, if artistic expression was the point of either of these stories, Roman Polanski (the guy who rapes a 13 year old in Jack Nicholson's house) would have a lot more of a wild imagination than Egoyan.

You want our genocide to be depicted by shytty, formulaic Hollywood movies designed as political tools with the sole purpose of drawing empty sympathy out of people

Yes, absolutely! I want it be shytty, cheesy, formulaic or whatever you want to call it, as long as it maximizes the amount of people that will watch it and will spread the word, ..... because without the people's sympathy you will not get the genocide recognized. We consist of a small country, with no significant natural resources, with a tiny number of Armenians spread all over the world (who use any opportunity to differentiate themselves from the OTHER kind of Armenian)

The ONLY tool we have is sympathy of the world. And yes, I do think if Armenians can get that sympathy, we should commercialize on it, build memorials in every major city, use the money to lobby politicians for Armenian interests, and use this sympathy in our advantage 100% shamelessly.

[Anonymouse]

Yes, absolutely! I want it be shytty, cheesy, formulaic or whatever you want to call it, as long as it maximizes the amount of people that will watch it and will spread the word, ..... because without the people's sympathy you will not get the genocide recognized. We consist of a small country, with no significant natural resources, with a tiny number of Armenians spread all over the world (who use any opportunity to differentiate themselves from the OTHER kind of Armenian)

The ONLY tool we have is sympathy of the world. And yes, I do think if Armenians can get that sympathy, we should commercialize on it, build memorials in every major city, use the money to lobby politicians for Armenian interests, and use this sympathy in our advantage 100% shamelessly.

Wow admin, nice stuff. I'm surprised you posted this much, this is the first time you've posted something this long. I agree with the brunt of your argument, and I would add on however that Armenian directors learn from Jews on how to portray their films.

[dstyle]

I agree with what the admin said, I'd rather have a glitsy movie that 10 million people see, then an artsy one that 100,000 see.

[nimda]

Wow admin, nice stuff. I'm surprised you posted this much, this is the first time you've posted something this long. I agree with the brunt of your argument, and I would add on however that Armenian directors learn from Jews on how to portray their films.

The reason I don't post much is because I'm usually busy with other stuff, and don't get a chance to reply and follow-up.

I've put the forum link back up on A/C homepage, so that there'll be more fresh meat for you carnivores to feast on. .... lol ... no, be nice with the newbies.

[Tres Bien]

i saw this site about the armenian genocide, and it looked like they were Advertising, and propagating the genocide of the armenians 1915. Because the site didn't follow the standards, both in how it is designed and how the matter is prestented and articles etc, the consequense becomes this; it looks like propaganda! why should we care on how other people sees it?quality of how we represent the genocie is nessasary, because we dont want to be misstaken for albanian UCK gerilla, or bosnian media, or azeri turkish media.

[xBaron Dants]

Nobody can possibly blame Egoyan for not "living down" to the standards Armenians wanted the movie to be.
Shytty, cheesy and formulaic movies are not his thing, and he shouldn't start making them now. Egoyan said it himself: another director should have made one of those movies before he made Ararat.

And if our only tool is sympathy, we are screwed forever.
Just look at Tibet....EVERYBODY has sympathy for the Tibetans. I'd be surprised if they're still around 50 years from now.