A Rational Choice For November 2nd

[GSTracer05]

No, that happened when it was created.

Can't the same be said for the majority of the threads?

[XxgoeyxX]

Can't the same be said for the majority of the threads?

Or the majority of your posts...


I keed I keed...

[patlajan]

Can't the same be said for the majority of the threads?

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve ourselves. So lets make this interesting....Lets take bets on what will happen tomorrow. I think despite the media hype there will be a marginal but clear victory. The media is hyping the polls and how close they are because it makes things seem more exciting. I say close race but clear winner....

[gevo]

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve ourselves. So lets make this interesting....Lets take bets on what will happen tomorrow. I think despite the media hype there will be a marginal but clear victory. The media is hyping the polls and how close they are because it makes things seem more exciting. I say close race but clear winner....

nd who is the clear winner???? I know there are many people who are completely hatefull towards Bush, and only voting against him for that reason, not because they know jack squat about the oponent.. But, i have also some hope that enough people have seen the 13 times (thats an official number) that Kerry has changed his view on the war on terror.. he hast tried plenty of different ways to blend into both ideologies anti/pro-wr on terorism.. anywho. i believe that Bush will be re-elected, and hopefuly he is.. I may have stated before, Kerry is not only a liar, but rather stupid with his lies.. for 15 minutes of watchign him on tv, from one state to another, i have heard him say compeltely rediculous and contradictory things to the stuff he said few hours ago.. His idea of a "global" test before going to war is exactly what the terrorists want.. Him saying that Bush did not provide the military with proper body armor and ammo is a very good point, because he was one who voted against the budget call that would go to supply these necessities of war to the troops. He has plenty of first hand (not hearsay) comrads from nam who have given statements of how 'heroic' Kerry really was in the war.. He accuses of Bush rushing to war, Saddam had been playing games with the world with the inspectors and such for 9 years since the persian gulf war. in which he would have plenty of time to have allocated his wmd to his close by neighbors.. cause even he wasnt that stupid not to see that the US was not going to stand and let him roam free and murder helpless kids and creat mass grav yards reminiscent of those from the 'Nazi' era and even those of the Armenian Genecide.
Put yourself in the position of a regular muslim Iraqi living in Iraq... would you rather be able to have some say, ANY say in who leads you, and have a governmetn of any sort which has organized military again violence, not one that promotes and uses violence against helpless people... would you like it if you hear some day that because your child was learning something which the dictator does not like she was killed along with 300 other schoolmates...?? Can anyone hear honestly be ignorent enough to rather live under a regim of ignorence and violence and suppresion than a democratic nation?? HELL even communism!!!!!?

Kerry is completely against the war, and if (thank God this is not true) he was the current president, then we would still be siting here and not knowing how many people die over in Iraq for absolutely NO cause NO reason NO purpose.. massacred is more like it actually..

You people who are ignorent enough to say "Bush is killing innocent people for money" should seriosuly reconsider your words.. i have heard this from at least a milion moronic people. On average there are about 11 reported deaths per day from Iraq since afer the main military advancment was over. On average about 17 people (most young kids, and women) were being MASSACRED!!!! under the regime of Mr. Saddam.... I have seen to my disgust serious people who have held up posters of Bush killing with a knife an American soldier.. and his comrad had the next sign which showed Bush wil a knife in his hear with the caption "How does that feel?".... these people want peace? They then should understand first hand the bitter irony in their own beliefs in the system of achieving that peace which they seek. I am in no way completely agreeing with every idea/view Bush has and has implemented into this economy, nor am i staating anything to the fact that Kerry may not want the best for our nation, as apossed to Bush who does.. But the dilema is simple, who do you want to lead us in the march to a better America where we can be more free from terrorism, or someone who rather wait another 8 years and be passive about it.. and evetually (God forbid) giving the possibility to thos terrorists to outgrow themselves and be more and more powerful... and infact the idea of Kerry's 'Global Test' is not a bad thign at all.. and I dont see why e would criticise Bush for the lack of such an ideology in his system of thaught.. Bush called the whole world to this war on terror.. those who apposed (such as France) had much money to gain from Saddam's prior regime.. There have been many arrogant statements against Bush when sliced and diced one can see that they are as empty as a glass of water that does not exist.

Now, i want someone to kick me for spending my 15 minutes on writing this..

[Anonymouse]

All we can say is the days of the empire are numbered, and with that the faith the masses have in it.

[GSTracer05]

Kicking you would be too nice. You need to be run over with your own bike. Then again, I didnt read any of it. I just hope they don't have the count, re-count, count some more, another re-count nonsense like last election.

[nunechka]

i guess, i have always argued that and will always believe that voting serves the essential good of the people... i believe in a government, however i do believe that the few have changed things to serve their needs, but we shouldnt be discouraged to vote just because some idiots want to take control of our lives... we should stand up and take our rights back...

the US govenment is a good example for others to follow, but just like anything else, for example this forum, we must have rules and a regulator (the moderator) because it is inevtible that someone will xxxx up... everyone has, in one way or another...

so starting from the smallest of significance to the most important aspects of our world, we need rules and followers of these rules... we need an objective government that serves the common good that enforces these rules, and we need a participative public to make the government serve it well...

in california, we currently have 17 measures to vote on of which 16 are propositions... they are very impotant... there is one for making the 3 strikes law only for serious offendors, there is one for ballot issues, there is one for childerns hospitals, there is one for emergency medical service funding, there is one on casinos being allowed in cities, there is one for stem cell research, there is one for healthcare coverage, there is one for election rights, there is one for how the state will spend its revenue...

so when you dont vote, and complain, well it isnt very effective, when you didnt help in anyway in the first place... at least you could say, HEY I VOTED! and i am going to continue to vote, THEY are not going to discourage me, i am going to change things around so that we dont live in a horrible place...

[gevo]

Kicking you would be too nice. You need to be run over with your own bike. Then again, I didnt read any of it. I just hope they don't have the count, re-count, count some more, another re-count nonsense like last election.

FIRST of all. i HAVE been run over my own bike (lacking the rider.... OK I CRASHED AND IT KEPT GOING!!!!) second.. i probably wouldnt hav read it if i was you anyways..

[Anonymouse]

i guess, i have always argued that and will always believe that voting serves the essential good of the people... i believe in a government, however i do believe that the few have changed things to serve their needs, but we shouldnt be discouraged to vote just because some idiots want to take control of our lives... we should stand up and take our rights back...

the US govenment is a good example for others to follow, but just like anything else, for example this forum, we must have rules and a regulator (the moderator) because it is inevtible that someone will xxxx up... everyone has, in one way or another...

so starting from the smallest of significance to the most important aspects of our world, we need rules and followers of these rules... we need an objective government that serves the common good that enforces these rules, and we need a participative public to make the government serve it well...

in california, we currently have 17 measures to vote on of which 16 are propositions... they are very impotant... there is one for making the 3 strikes law only for serious offendors, there is one for ballot issues, there is one for childerns hospitals, there is one for emergency medical service funding, there is one on casinos being allowed in cities, there is one for stem cell research, there is one for healthcare coverage, there is one for election rights, there is one for how the state will spend its revenue...

so when you dont vote, and complain, well it isnt very effective, when you didnt help in anyway in the first place... at least you could say, HEY I VOTED! and i am going to continue to vote, THEY are not going to discourage me, i am going to change things around so that we dont live in a horrible place...

This is a misinformed argument advanced by you. Your post again rehashes the same emotional banter with no substance behind it other than vague idealistic beliefs to one day perhaps form a blissful egalitarian society. You go on to ramble about rules and a moderator, when you did not even bother reading, much comprehending my point about law and justice. Your misinformed position that if we don't vote we cannot complain is precisely backward. That because I do not vote, and do not reinforce the State politics of fear, I am in the precise position to criticize. Hypothetically if you voted for a politician that turned out to be a Stalin, it is precisely the voter who has no right to complain. I, as the non-voter, have all the right in the world to complain based on the idiotic and myopic decision of voters such as you whos thinking is clearly product of the public school system. I have posted this quote by Gene Callahan before in response to the argument that if you don't vote you cannot complain, and I will post it again.

However, I think that contention is precisely backwards. To see why, imagine a stranger approaching you, a gun in his hand, and declaring that you have the "right" to play Russian roulette with him. If you don't exercise your right, he says, he still plans to aim his gun at you, spin the cylinder, and then pull the trigger. If you agree to take part in his proposed game, it seems to me, then you have weakened the force of any protest you might lodge about the outcome. On the other hand, if you tell him you want no part of such foolishness, and that he should leave you alone, then how in the world would that negate your right to object to his plan?

Isn't our "right" to vote closely analogous to that situation? Although I'm offered the chance to take my own turn spinning the cylinder and pulling the trigger of the gun, I'm not permitted to opt out of my role as a potential target. If I attempt to ignore the outcome of an election, based on the simple fact that I never agreed to abide by it in the first place, the State is prepared to use deadly force against me, in order to compel me to pay attention. Why should my refusal to participate in the State's aggressive schemes mean that I could no longer criticize them?

And as far as your opinion about voting between a turd sandwich and a douchebag, and South Park humor, here is the article, although the author came to a different conclusion with his last sentence of, "A vote is a wonderful thing to waste".

[nunechka]

there is no emotion in that post at all... as a matter of fact if there was emtion you would see happy or sad faces... but i dont feel emotional at all... i feel that i am doing my civic duty by participating, and i am expressing my views...

anonymouse there is no reason for you to argue with me, you have started to compare voting to shooting someone... calm down, step away from the computer and take a walk around your house...

you put what i write in quotes as if you are about start analysing it, and then we read what you have written and realize that it has nothing to do wiht what you quoted... and i would like to thank you for quoting it, and placing it more then once on a page... so that if someone missed it the first time, they wouldnt miss it the second time and they would end up reading it...