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Why Honesty Is Not A Commodity

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  • #11
    It's funny this thread was just created because my friend was telling me last night about some situations with family and how pissed off he was. Long story short (since I never type long posts because I try to stay away from this forum ) he was telling me that for the past 3 months his mothers side of the family came from armenia and stayed in their house and they gave them everything. A lot of money was given, food, shelter, etc. They were so greatful and always so nice and kept saying how we are going to have to do something at least to show our kindness blah blah blah. 2 weeks ago they finally got everything together and moved out and everything is on track for them now, they have thier own place and business. The funny thing is though they don't even speak to my friends mother or father anymore. They basically used and abused them and after that haven't called or anything for 2 weeks and now some unkind words are being said to one another and it is getting out of hand. They even went to the point of saying you really didn't have to do everything you did for us for the 3 months that you did and WE DON'T LIKE YOU. To me that is just unbelievable, they have even said bad things about the mothers son (my friend) which was one of the main reasons he was so mad about the situation. He told me if he sees them he wants to spit on thier face and plans on going to the house and damaging things etc. I don't know if that is how you should handle these things but I know I would be pretty ticked off if something like this were to happen to my family, lets just say I would cross that line.

    Immediate family and your one or two closest friends is all that should really matter. Even if I see my Moms or Dads side of the family I'm always respectful and care about them but I'll tell you this much .... If I had to pick between the life of my friend or the life of my aunt or uncle for example I would pick my friend. I don't care if we are blood, that has nothing to do with it. Even though I always try to be kind I am always cautious at the same time, and if I do something for someone else I don't expect anything in return I just feel good about myself for doing it. And if you get nothing in return then hey, now you know what kind of person they are. I personally would never have family coming from another country stay at my house for even a week. Even though I don't think 99% of us are going to have to go through that anymore since we don't own our own place yet and when we do all of our family will already be here in America.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by sleuth
      I didn't mean your family in particular.But seems to me you are really disappointed for some reason (I am guessing backstabing from a family member). Am I right?Disappointment comes from expectetions, in general.As I said before we reap what we sown. And don't expect things even from family member.For certain type of humans, money is a source of a happiness.What Do you expect from them? If people are not honest, difficult issues can't be acknowledged and resolved.That's simple and plain. Don't be so lugubrious,be happy that your family doesn't belong to that category.Because in the end they going to sow what they reap.Does it make any sence?
      As for me ,honesty is a core value and commodity,no matter how someone will take advantage of it.I'll stop to associate with a person who is deceitful.I am not going to diminish or compromise my moral values and principles because of someone(even if it's my own father).
      My point: honesty is a core value and commodity,no matter what.Learn lesson and stay away from backstabers. If they are dishonest and deceitful it's their own problem .
      You are right sleuth. The the problem is as I see it, my parents will still continue to help and do everything for everyone else, but get the same responds. My father likes to play stupid sometimes, and pretend he didnt know the other person was fooling him. He shuts his mouth because they are his family. He shuts his mouth, because he feels his family is more important then money. Like I said in my other post, I have realized I have something many people dont have. And when those people finally realize money isnt everything they will envy you and who you are. In the end we are all going to die and I'm sure everything is free in heaven so whats the point of burying the money with them.

      Yes money changes everything. And omniscient, your post isnt unusual at all, I am sure you have seen that so many times. More then half the forumer have seen it im sure. Its pretty sad. I hope your friend feels better and things like this shouldnt change who he is. It should only force them to be a better person.
      Last edited by XxgoeyxX; 11-07-2004, 12:49 PM.
      You can't hold a man down without staying down with him.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Anonymouse
        However, wealth earned honestly is just. And I hope that those who attain wealth through honest means, do not forget where they came from and guiding principles that remain eternal to human relations. Honesty is rarely respected among the dishonest. And indeed one does get slapped in the face. There are those that argue that in a world of unethical manners and toil, one should engage in the same tactics in order to "get ahead". This "get ahead" part is basically saying the ends justify the means, and whatever the methods, it's important to "get ahead", simply for the sake of "getting ahead", whatever that means.
        I dont know if its just me but many "honest" people arnt wealty. Yes you do feel like you have to go down to their level to got ahead. Saddly the world has turned to this. And no worries Anony, these days your own flesh and blood stabs you in the back. Its so normal and such a day to day thing that nothing suprises me anymore.

        Now,take your own advice my dear and dont turn into that person.
        You can't hold a man down without staying down with him.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by sleuth
          I didn't mean your family in particular.But seems to me you are really disappointed for some reason (I am guessing backstabing from a family member). Am I right?Disappointment comes from expectetions, in general.As I said before we reap what we sown. And don't expect things even from family member.For certain type of humans, money is a source of a happiness.What Do you expect from them? If people are not honest, difficult issues can't be acknowledged and resolved.That's simple and plain. Don't be so lugubrious,be happy that your family doesn't belong to that category.Because in the end they going to sow what they reap.Does it make any sence?
          As for me ,honesty is a core value and commodity,no matter how someone will take advantage of it.I'll stop to associate with a person who is deceitful.I am not going to diminish or compromise my moral values and principles because of someone(even if it's my own father).
          My point: honesty is a core value and commodity,no matter what.Learn lesson and stay away from backstabers. If they are dishonest and deceitful it's their own problem .
          I don't think that we expected something. None of this was expected. I already said when we do good works, we do not expect anything in return. You misunderstood. We do good works because they are good, not because we want something in return, which is why honesty is not a commodity, because it cannot be exchanged like a commodity, it can only be given by people who are honest. And yes as a general rule avoid all contact with such folks.
          Last edited by Anonymouse; 11-07-2004, 12:44 PM.
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          • #15
            Originally posted by Anonymouse
            . When something does happen, one at least expects the same level of respect one gives. Therein lies the difference.
            Mousy, I have a bad habit to scrutinize things in microscopical level.
            So you do expect the same level of respect .Whit this logic you are going to pay back every single penny to someone who dares to be dishonest and disrespectful to you.Chain reaction .

            The best way to avoid this chain reaction is creating your own space.If someone is not fitting there the door is always open for him/her to go.There is no way I would step in their level and follow them.

            Cheer up.World is full of money worshiping and power hungry robots.
            I'm a monstrous mass of vile, foul & corrupted matter.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by sleuth
              Mousy, I have a bad habit to scrutinize things in microscopical level.
              So you do expect the same level of respect .Whit this logic you are going to pay back every single penny to someone who dares to be dishonest and disrespectful to you.Chain reaction .

              The best way to avoid this chain reaction is creating your own space.If someone is not fitting there the door is always open for him/her to go.There is no way I would step in their level and follow them.

              Cheer up.World is full of money worshiping and power hungry robots.
              I already agreed that we shouldn't associate with people of that level. I'm afraid I don't understand the point you are trying to make, about paying money back or what not. We are not "expecting" anything when we do good works. We do it because it is good, it is right, and it is just. We don't do it with intentions that we "deserve" something, and thereby sit there, fidget with our hands and wait for them to come around. Now, when things do happen in which people cross characters, it is not so much that we want something, it is that we hope they remember our honesty, and that they at least take that into consideration. But like I said, with dishonest people, there is no point, because honesty is only given by you. Hardly a commodity. Sometimes, "creating our own space" is not an option, as in my case, in which we have business dealings between family which cannot simply be "dropped off" for "creating space". But you can bet your bottom dollar that after this, things will have changed.
              Achkerov kute.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Anonymouse
                I already agreed that we shouldn't associate with people of that level. I'm afraid I don't understand the point you are trying to make, about paying money back or what not. .
                LOL! It wasn't about paying back money,it was about paying back disrespect and dishonesty.
                I'm a monstrous mass of vile, foul & corrupted matter.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by sleuth
                  LOL! It wasn't about paying back money,it was about paying back disrespect and dishonesty.
                  Pardon me. Like I said, I didn't understand it.
                  Achkerov kute.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Anonymouse
                    Pardon me. Like I said, I didn't understand it.
                    All is good!!

                    Hope you are not going to pay them back ,hence *creating a space.*
                    I'm a monstrous mass of vile, foul & corrupted matter.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by sleuth
                      All is good!!

                      Hope you are not going to pay them back ,hence *creating a space.*
                      Space creation is a necessary step for spiritual consolation.
                      Achkerov kute.

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