The Real Face of War

[MadHandle]

They did the right thing. Iraqi's have played a lot of tricks with walking up with a white flag and then opening fire, or booby trapping bodies or people trying to surrender. Hey, it's not a coctail party ... it's a war and people will get killed.

I wonder where the pictures of the people that were gassed throughout the decades by sadam are ... people are so quick to blame the big bad US for finally taking action about this flacked up loonatic but where were these people when Sadam was killing the Kurds like Turks butchering Armenians and burning down entire villages with Mustard gas?

Thats not why the US invaded Iraq though...we all know the main motive here is oil, but how the Bush government got into the war or the excuse for the war is the worst part.

I truely believe Iran is next up after Iraq...and you know what that means, Armenian economy will be drained to nothing since one of the main importers/exporters is Iran. I read some prophesy somewhere that said Bush would drop the A-bomb on Iran...highly likely to be bullxxxx, but it did predict the Bush victory and some sport events.

[Anonymouse]

Thats not why the US invaded Iraq though...we all know the main motive here is oil, but how the Bush government got into the war or the excuse for the war is the worst part.

I truely believe Iran is next up after Iraq...and you know what that means, Armenian economy will be drained to nothing since one of the main importers/exporters is Iran. I read some prophesy somewhere that said Bush would drop the A-bomb on Iran...highly likely to be bullxxxx, but it did predict the Bush victory and some sport events.

It's pointless trying to make warmongers see the deceptions. They are immune from criticism. Well, soon we will all be lying under rubble, and finally it can all end.

[Sip]

Thats not why the US invaded Iraq though...we all know the main motive here is oil, but how the Bush government got into the war or the excuse for the war is the worst part.

Doesn't matter why they did it or whether those who did it had good intentions or not. What does matter is that it was the right thing. People somehow tend to overlook that little detail.

[Anonymouse]

Doesn't matter why they did it or whether those who did it had good intentions or not. What does matter is that it was the right thing. People somehow tend to overlook that little detail.

Why was it the right thing? Who gets to decide if it was the right thing? Who decides that the thousands of civilians now killed by American bombs died for the 'right thing'? This merely sounds like justifying things after the fact, after the fact that it was discovered this escapade was based on lies, and now to redeem themselves and make it seem like a valiant and noble endeavor, all those lies were tossed aside and we have replaced it with the vague 'it was the right thing'.

[gevo]

Why was it the right thing? Who gets to decide if it was the right thing? Who decides that the thousands of civilians now killed by American bombs died for the 'right thing'? This merely sounds like justifying things after the fact, after the fact that it was discovered this escapade was based on lies, and now to redeem themselves and make it seem like a valiant and noble endeavor, all those lies were tossed aside and we have replaced it with the vague 'it was the right thing'.

who decides its the wrong thing? obviously you are taking that role..

[Anonymouse]

who decides its the wrong thing?

Based on the principle of natural law which states that no one may aggress and initiate any act of aggression against the life, liberty, and property of another person. Or even the more basic "Thou Shalt Not Kill" as rarified in the Ten Commandments.

How was Iraq a threat to America? Simply put, it wasn't. How do warmongers justify war? With irrational exhuberance.

Lying, cheating, stealing, coveting, and killing are all forbidden by God in the Ten Commandments, and yet all of these forbidden actions are practiced by the present administration and Bush, who claims he is a Christian. And obviously you supported him over Kerry and your bias tips toward the Republicans, Bush, and the war.

[gevo]

Based on the principle of natural law which states that no one may aggress and initiate any act of aggression against the life, liberty, and property of another person. Or even the more basic "Thou Shalt Not Kill" as rarified in the Ten Commandments.

How was Iraq a threat to America? Simply put, it wasn't. How do warmongers justify war? With irrational exhuberance.

Lying, cheating, stealing, coveting, and killing are all forbidden by God in the Ten Commandments, and yet all of these forbidden actions are practiced by the present administration and Bush, who claims he is a Christian. And obviously you supported him over Kerry and your bias tips toward the Republicans, Bush, and the war.

more people have been killed in wars throughout the old testament than the modern world with its wars. This is not to justify murder, but one must understand the full context of the Bible, and the reasons of war before quoting from the Bible against it. Dont forget God is just, he killed the entire world minus Noha's family, what would you call this? (i am not trying to argue that the actions of Bush are backed by God, dont go there) How many times did the terrorist nation decalre Jihad against the western nations, and specifically the 'great evil' America? Iraw if not harboring terrorists WAS a terrorist under the current regime, that is why our troops are still there, because a small group of 'terrorists' are fighting their life long battle, the Jihad, to which all muslims are called out by THE terrorist (Bin Ladden) to fight. If you ask me, i would more rather have seen this war than the 'possible' other outcomes. Thos who fight still in Iraq are not even Iraqis for the most part, they are insergents who have travelled form nearby terrorist nations, and think they are doing "alah's" will.. he administration has done plenty to show the Iraqi civilians it is not there to occupy, merely to help, and all you folks who like to believe in all types of conspriacies and believe that the entire legislative branch and executive branch are toys of the devil, all you can do is watch, especially ones who not only dont vote, but infact have strong beleif against it..

[Anonymouse]

more people have been killed in wars throughout the old testament than the modern world with its wars. This is not to justify murder, but one must understand the full context of the Bible, and the reasons of war before quoting from the Bible against it.

What does this have anything to do with it? Only you who understands the Bible can quote it? I am simply quoting what is laid out by God of what man shall not do. That is all.

Dont forget God is just, he killed the entire world minus Noha's family, what would you call this? (i am not trying to argue that the actions of Bush are backed by God, dont go there)

That's great and all, but this isn't God, this is humans we're dealing with.

How many times did the terrorist nation decalre Jihad against the western nations, and specifically the 'great evil' America?

I would guess as many times it saw necessary after it felt that America violated the rights of those people by meddling in their countries, by supporting Israel, by bombing them, etc. Nothing happens without provacation or just cause. And for every action there is a reaction. U.S. actions around the world have gotten a reaction.

Iraw if not harboring terrorists WAS a terrorist under the current regime,

'Terror' is the root of the word 'terrorist', yet methinks most people who use this word do not know it. The word 'terror' literally means to strike fear. Thereby any acts which strike fear are ipso facto acts of terror. By that the biggest terrorist is America. One can very well define the tactics America uses as 'terror'. And surely if you told those people in Iraq who were suffering the bombs under the inital days of the 'Shock and Awe' campaign they would tell you they were terrorized. Terrorism is a tactic, not an entity. Declaring war on a tactic is stupid. Terrorism is as old as time. Therefore this Orwellian twisting of words surely doesn't help but only adds to the problem as words are abstractions and the confusion of words serves to help the State.

that is why our troops are still there, because a small group of 'terrorists' are fighting their life long battle, the Jihad, to which all muslims are called out by THE terrorist (Bin Ladden) to fight.

You are confusing two issues, the Iraqis, and Al Qaeda. What you and the Bush administration call 'terrorist', they see themselves as 'freedom fighters'. What to you appears as a 'terrorist' to them is 'freedom fighter' and you would be surprisd that the tactics of terrorism is what the fore fathers of America used to oust the British. Al Qeada on the other hand is Islamic and has declared Jihad. The biggest mistake people here do is to assume that the opposition to America is one big monolithic entity which one can all lump into one giant category.

If you ask me, i would more rather have seen this war than the 'possible' other outcomes. Thos who fight still in Iraq are not even Iraqis for the most part, they are insergents who have travelled form nearby terrorist nations, and think they are doing "alah's" will.. he administration has done plenty to show the Iraqi civilians it is not there to occupy, merely to help, and all you folks who like to believe in all types of conspriacies and believe that the entire legislative branch and executive branch are toys of the devil, all you can do is watch, especially ones who not only dont vote, but infact have strong beleif against it..

Conspiracies are recognzied in all legal systems. The definition of conspiracy itself implies secrecy. The nature of government is secret, therefore conspiracy is the tissie that connects it all. Furthermore the exectuve branch has no authority to declare war, yet this is what it has done since World War II. Who is lying, and why? After all, the warmongers would have you believe that conspiracies are things that only occur in banana republics, Communist nations or nowadays, among terrorists or nations who harbor terrorism. As Michael Parenti said in Dirty Truths, City Lights Books, 1996:

"Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: "Do you actually think there's a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?" For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together – on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot – though they call it "planning" and "strategizing" – and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists."

[loseyourname]

Yes I read about the imbedded American reporter who videotaped a US Marine shooting an Iraqi who was unarmed, wounded, and to top it off he was in a mosque. More fuel to the fire that still burns in Iraqi's who hate Americans so.

Wow. The insurgents are hiding out in Mosques. That's a violation of the Geneva Conventions! What an outrage!

[Anonymouse]

Wow. The insurgents are hiding out in Mosques. That's a violation of the Geneva Conventions! What an outrage!

Wow the 'insurgents' are defending their homeland from Amecan aggression! The outrage!