The youth is...

[surferarmo]

Today I was walking around my dorm and I was asking people to sign the peition to recall the Honorable Gray Davis. The first question I ask is "are you registered to vote," because if you are not registered you cant sign it. I was surprised, and yes I counted, that only half of my xxxxin dorm building was regisitered to vote!!! All these people are screaming liberal ideology in my face and thehippies arent even registered. Can you believe it. :x

I dont care what party you are with, just register!!!What is with the apathy? PLEASE TELL ME THAT EVERONE IN HERE HAS REGISTERED TO VOTE.

I just needed to vent. It was either this or use a hippy as a punching bag.

Thats better. :P

[surferarmo]

The first word should say BULLxxxx with a period right after. the youth is...bullxxxx.

[jahannam]

ok... why don't people who are interested in(or crazy about) politics understand that some people ARE NOT interested in politics?
it's not only you surfer... it's EVERY SINGLE poli sci major I know!

[surferarmo]

Jahannam, this is a topic that I take very seriously. Read my signature and you will see why it is important.

How can you not care about politics? Do you even care about the way you live? Did you know that even this conversation we are having involves politics? Not just because of the topic, but because of the science of conflict. That is a whole other topic, but you see my point.

Politics is part of all our lives. To say you dont care about politics is to say you dont care about your life. Each time you dont vote, you allow someone else to choose for you. The danger in this: with increasing amounts of voter apathy, leaders are getting closer and closer to taking power, rather than being elected. Pretty soon, if everyone stops voting, the president will get into power by some other means, and I really dont want to know what those are. This will only lead to a totalitarian dictatorship.

This is the truth, and this is in no way meant to offend you, and if it does, too bad; to not care about politics is stupid. I understand if you dont follow every issue, or memorize all the members of the congress, but you should be registered to vote and have a common understanding of the system and practicality of politics. If you are not registered to vote, then stop complaining about the hardhships in life. Politics can solve those hard ships, but because you dont care about politics, then stop complainaing. People at my school are such idiots, they act like they care, and the preach commuism and how it is the moral system, but the xxxxxxxs arent even registered?

It is said that if you took away peoples political rights away 100 years ago in America, the citizen would lose half of their life. If you took the political rights of citizens away now, most people would not even notice.

Ignorance is bliss jahannam, that is why you dont care. Us politics majors know the corruptions and complexities that exist and can occur in politics. Having this knowledge, poly sci majors have taken responsibility. We have learned things that make us uncomfortable and we get a little ticked when someone is truly apathetic enough to not even fill out a form to register. With knowledge, comes responsibility.

Being a poly sci major is like taking the red pill in the matrix if you see my point. You have taken the blue pill, living in a dream world and are ignorant to the importance of politics.

"The unexamined life is not worth living."

Aristotle

[Anonymouse]

But since all is predestined what does it matter? Remember, there are those that argue that "voting" is nothing more than a show to make the masses believe they are participating in 'democracy' when in reality both candidates are backed with money from the banking and corporate element. That is why neither party dare lay hands on the illegal Federal Reserve.

[surferarmo]

But since all is predestined what does it matter? Remember, there are those that argue that "voting" is nothing more than a show to make the masses believe they are participating in 'democracy' when in reality both candidates are backed with money from the banking and corporate element. That is why neither party dare lay hands on the illegal Federal Reserve.

What you speak of is political philosophy and theory. It sounds a lot like Fydor Dostoevsky who is one of my favorite authors. He said that voting is a just a facade to make people believe they are participating. Though you bring the importance of philosophy in this argument, you must understand that there is a more practical side to it.

There are two forms of social control. One is the state (government), and the other is the market. The state exerts authority to excercise political power and control. The market uses exchange as its principal power. The federal reserve deals with finance and money. Consumers who wield money, bring their purchasing power to the market. The market is involved with governing the people, and if people have control over the market, then they have control over the state. The market determines all policy, and policy is formed by the state. Therefore, we control the state through political rights granted through the state, and through exchange in the market.

The market truly does form our nations policy. Why do you think we went to war? I think we went to suit our interests, our market interests. If we didnt demand certain things then policy would not be shaped the way it is.

Oil is a big issue. I would fight for oil any day and die for it willingly. With out it, people would die. The market demands oil to produce food and clothing. Oil is what keeps our factories going. We produce the largest wheat export, and we have the garlic and artichoke capitol of the world not too far from my campus. With out all the oil that ran the tractors to make these farms successful, there would be more hungry people in the world. Also clothing, many people would be without clothes if we didnt have oil to run the factories. We are also greedy. We drive gas guzzling SUVs, and our nation has gone to war so that we can have cheaper access to fuel. SUVs, food, and clothing are all products on the market that we buy. This shapes our nations policy. We do have more power than people think.

I just used the war as an example to illustrate how our exchange in the market is reflected in the policy making that occurs at the state. We have the power, we just refuse to see it.

Now if people have a view on the war then they are intrested in politics. What they dont realize is that the clothes they wear, the food they eat, and the cars they drive are a result of it. If you really cared, you would stop driving, go hunting and butcher an animal yourself or grow tomatoes in your back yard. Like Dostoevsky said, and I paraphrase, the people will rise up and rebel, and march and burn buildings, and they will feel good as if they did something. Then it will all go back to the way it was again.

[Anonymouse]

I was thinking more along the lines of the supernatural, the occult, the esoteric knowledge that pervades, the mathematical precision of things ( numerology ).

[jahannam]

surfer... see? your attitude towards this topic? tha's EXACTLY what i meant when i said you guys don't understand... lol
the only thing politicians are good at is TALK.... talk talk talk talk...
and I dunno if youve noticed ... and no offense or anything... but this is the only topic in this forum youve sort of figured all out and are ready for... therefore a third person who might be reading this... might think ... WOW surfer wins... he's making good points...
guess what... I don't care... cuz I don't and will never care about politics
AND THAT DOESNT MAKE ME STUPID....lol

[Anonymouse]

Surfer armo has a very trusty view of the government and the system. He is more along the lines of we make a difference whereas I believe we don't, and society is specifically constructed in the way so as to use acts of subterfuge to make us believe we have some petty power over things.

The Federal Reserve is exactly what has been the reason for constant wars and inflation and deflation and rising interests and taxes. It is this institution that has been behind the curtains pulling the strings. Anyone who truly knows politics knows about the racket that the federal reserve is.

[Anonymouse]

The war on Iraq wasn't just for oil, it was to contend the rising status of the Euro replacing the dollar as the major currency, to get the untapped oil reserves of the region, and gain a strategic foothold for U.S. and Israeli hegemony. That is all. Any other reason for this war is pure bunk and illusive and if anyone believes the reason for the war, then that only shows how far acts of subterfuge and propaganda can go.