The youth is...

[xBaron Dants]

Well, don't get me wrong, I am deeply interested in politics but I can see why so many americans just don't care about it anymore. when the contract to reconstruct the iraqi oil system was given to the company formerly ran by xxxx Cheney BEFORE THE WAR HAD EVEN STARTED, you can see that there definitely is something wrong going on. Something deeper than what we can change as individuals.

As two people interested by politics, I think we are interpelled by different aspects of it. While you may preach the lower prices globalization will bring for Americans, I will be reminding people of the 15 year old boys in Haiti who are working in toxic fumes for 11 cents an hour, making toys for McDonalds. While you will tell us that the war on Irak was beneficial because of oil and whatever, I'll be thinking about the fact that it's been almost a month and nor water nor electricity has been restored in the country.

You may be deeply convinced that Governor Gray Davis must be recalled for I don't know what reason (I don't know much about american interior politics), I just can't see it making any changes for the BIG PICTURE, or shall I say for MY big picture.

It's a matter of values and priorities. By being a scouting leader, Jahannam is teaching kids how to be better citizens, better human beings and better armenians (they're armenian scouts right?). That in itself is quiiite a social responsibility. Everybody does their part, in the "sphere" which they find more relevant to their priorities, interests, and abilities.

[jahannam]

HOMENETMEN all the way

[xBaron Dants]

HOMENETMEN all the way

yes HOPENETMENAGAN em! (AGBU)
haygagan e, badvagan e!

[jahannam]

ooops lol
hahahha
they're all good
we marched with AGBU scouts on April 24th... they were so fun... not to mention VERY good looking

[Anonymouse]

9/11 was a hoax
By Harry Potter

Opposed by everyone in the world who was not bought off, the illegal invasion of Iraq was undertaken for many reasons - the imminent replacement of the dollar by the euro as the world's primary currency, the tempting lure of untapped oil reserves, the desire to consolidate U.S./Israeli military hegemony over a strategically vital region - but the most important reason was to further obscure questions about the awesome deception staged by the American government that has come to be known as 9/11.

9/11 was a hoax. This is no longer a wild conspiracy assertion; it is a fact, supported by thousands of other verifiable facts, foremost of which are:

- The attacks of 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without the willful failure of the American defense system. In Washington, Air Force pilots demanded to fly but were ordered to stand down.

Yet instead of prosecuting the president and military leaders for this unprecedented dereliction of duty, military leaders were promoted and the president was praised for presiding over a defense system that suspiciously failed the most crucial test in its history.

None of the deaths would have happened without the deliberate unplugging of America's air defenses.

Planes that lose contact with control towers are usually intercepted by fighter jets inside of ten minutes, as the incident with the golfer's plane a few months earlier so clearly demonstrated.

Yet on 9/11, the jetliners that struck New York were allowed to proceed unmolested for more than a half-hour, and the plane that supposedly crashed in Washington was not intercepted for more than an hour and forty minutes after it was widely known that four planes had been hijacked.

- The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel.

What does stand out as particularly suspicious and still unexplained is that fires raged out of control beneath THREE of the collapsed towers for ONE HUNDRED DAYS, clearly indicating the presence of some kind of substance utilized in the demolition of the structures.

The Twin Towers did not fall because of plane impacts or fires. Most likely explosives were placed on structural supports in the towers (as was done in Oklahoma City), and these controlled implosions snuffed out the lives of three thousand people.

- FBI Director Robert Mueller insisted officials had no idea this kind of attack could happen when in fact the FBI had been investigating the possibility of EXACTLY this kind of attack for almost TEN YEARS.

Numerous previous attempts at using planes as weapons, intimate knowledge of terror plans called Project Bojinka, and knowledge of suspicious characters attending flight schools who were being monitored by the FBI make his utterance a clear lie on its face.

In the weeks before 9/11, the U.S. received warnings from all over the world that an event just like this was about to happen, but FBI investigations into suspected terrorists were suppressed and those warnings were deliberately disregarded.

- The names of the alleged hijackers, all ostensibly Muslims, were released to the public only hours after the attacks, despite Mueller saying we had no knowledge this would happen. This is an impossible twist of logic. If he didn't know of a plan to strike buildings with planes, how would he know the names of the hijackers?

Various artifacts were discovered in strategic places to try to confirm the government's story, but these have all been dismissed as suspicious planting of evidence. Since that time several [Arab suicide hijackers'] names on that list have turned up alive and well, living in Arab countries.

Yet no attempt has ever been made to update the list. And why were none of these names on the airlines' passenger lists?

- Much like the invasion of Iraq, the anthrax attacks were designed to deflect attention from unanswered 9/11 questions in the patriotic pandemonium that followed the tragedy.

In addition to making large amounts of money for the president's father and his friends from the hasty sale of inefficient drugs to a panicked populace, the investigation into these killings was abruptly halted when the trail of evidence led straight to the government's door, and has not been reopened.

The anthrax attacks also amped up the climate of fear and deflected attention from the passage of the government's repressive Patriot Act.

- The Patriot Act was presented in the days after the tragedy supposedly as a response to it, yet it was clear that this heinous act, drafted to nullify provisions for freedom in the U.S. Constitution, was put together long before 9/11. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it.

This was a vote to eliminate the Constitutional Bill of Rights, which has defined American freedom for 200 years, and it was accomplished when legislators voted for the bill without even reading it.

- The invasion of Afghanistan was presented as an attempt to pursue the alleged perpetrators of 9/11, yet it had been discussed for years prior to the tragedy and actually planned in the months before the attacks on New York and Washington.

Statements by Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Republican-written Project for a New American Century have stressed that America needed a formidable enemy to accomplish its aggressive geopolitical aims.

The supposed enemy we attacked in Afghanistan was a diverse group of men from all over the world who were initially recruited, encouraged and supported by the American CIA.

- The hole in the Pentagon was not made by a jumbo jet. Damage to the building was simply not consistent with the size of the hole nor the absence of debris. At the supposed point of impact, a whole bank of windows remained unbroken and there were no marks on the lawn.

No airplane debris (except what was planted on the lawn) nor remains of passengers were ever found.

- The president has admitted that he continued to read a story to schoolchildren in a Florida school for 30 minutes after being informed that two planes had struck New York and that the nation was under attack.. He has never explained this puzzling behavior, nor how he saw the first plane hit.

It was never televised, only recorded by a French crew filming firemen in New York. In that film, the plane in question does not appear to be a passenger airliner.

- The plane in Pennsylvania was shot down and broke apart in midair. No other explanation can account for the wreckage, which was spread over a six-mile area, or the eyewitness accounts that describe debris falling from the sky.

- Cellphone calls cannot be made from airliners in flight that are not close to the ground. As research by Professor A. K. Dewdney has shown, the emotional conversations between hijacked passengers and others would not have been possible under conditions that existed at that moment.

These calls were cynical FABRICATIONS, exploiting the distraught emotions of those who lost loved ones.

- Radio communications from firefighters on the upper floors of the Trade Center towers clearly indicate that fires were under control and the structure was in no danger of collapsing.

These are merely a few of the deliberately false statements made by U.S. officials about 9/11. They provide crystal clear evidence that our president, his staff, and many legislators should be indicted on charges of treason, obstruction of justice and mass murder.

Above all, these evil men should be removed from their positions of authority before they implement more of their moneymaking murder schemes like the one they are now perpetrating on the innocent people of Iraq.

Otherwise, we face a future of endless war abroad and merciless repression at home.

Consider just a few more of the other unanswered questions from among the thousands of unexplained loose ends that all point to 9/11 being an inside job.

- Who benefited from the suspiciously high numbers of put options purchased prior to September 11 for shares in companies whose stock prices subsequently plummeted, on the supposition that whoever was behind the hijacking was also behind most of the purchases of these put options?

And what was the role of the new executive director of the CIA, Buzzy Krongard, who handled these transactions?

- Why was the debris from the collapsed Twin Towers removed from the site with no forensic examination?

Why was almost all of it sold to scrap merchants and shipped abroad where it would not be available for scientific examination?

- Why does the government refuse to release any transcripts of communications or any records at all relating to signals of any form transmitted by those jets?

- Why did so many people, from San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to many employees of companies in the World Trade Center who failed to come to work that day, know in advance that something bad was going to happen on Sept. 11, 2001?

- Why do all the major U.S. media continue to act as if none of these questions is legitimate or relevant?

Today, millions of people around the world are protesting the criminal destruction of the nation of Iraq.

But these protests won't change the number of minds necessary to stop America's criminal madmen from continuing with their genocidal aim of enslaving the entire world.

What WILL stop them is spreading the realization that President George W. Bush and his billionaire accomplices in the oil industry perpetrated 9/11 as an excuse to begin the militarization of America for the purpose of world conquest.

History has shown all too clearly the deceived American people WILL support the destruction of faraway countries on phony pretexts of defending so-called freedom.

Thus the needless wars continue. Right now we watch high-tech weapons slaughter the defenseless people of Iraq.

Soon it will be Iran, Syria, Colombia, Venezuela, North Korea, Egypt, Libya, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and who knows where else. All these misguided atrocities will be possible because of the hoax known as 9/11.

But the American people will not - and cannot - tolerate leaders who kill our own people merely to invent a pretext - the war on terror - to go around killing anyone they like.

If the American people DO tolerate such an insane strategy, then they clearly do not deserve to survive as a nation or a people.

[surferarmo]

9/11 was a hoax
By Harry Potter

Opposed by everyone in the world who was not bought off, the illegal invasion of Iraq was undertaken for many reasons - the imminent replacement of the dollar by the euro as the world's primary currency, the tempting lure of untapped oil reserves, the desire to consolidate U.S./Israeli military hegemony over a strategically vital region - but the most important reason was to further obscure questions about the awesome deception staged by the American government that has come to be known as 9/11.

9/11 was a hoax. This is no longer a wild conspiracy assertion; it is a fact, supported by thousands of other verifiable facts, foremost of which are:

- The attacks of 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without the willful failure of the American defense system. In Washington, Air Force pilots demanded to fly but were ordered to stand down.

Yet instead of prosecuting the president and military leaders for this unprecedented dereliction of duty, military leaders were promoted and the president was praised for presiding over a defense system that suspiciously failed the most crucial test in its history.

None of the deaths would have happened without the deliberate unplugging of America's air defenses.

Planes that lose contact with control towers are usually intercepted by fighter jets inside of ten minutes, as the incident with the golfer's plane a few months earlier so clearly demonstrated.

Yet on 9/11, the jetliners that struck New York were allowed to proceed unmolested for more than a half-hour, and the plane that supposedly crashed in Washington was not intercepted for more than an hour and forty minutes after it was widely known that four planes had been hijacked.

- The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel.

What does stand out as particularly suspicious and still unexplained is that fires raged out of control beneath THREE of the collapsed towers for ONE HUNDRED DAYS, clearly indicating the presence of some kind of substance utilized in the demolition of the structures.

The Twin Towers did not fall because of plane impacts or fires. Most likely explosives were placed on structural supports in the towers (as was done in Oklahoma City), and these controlled implosions snuffed out the lives of three thousand people.

- FBI Director Robert Mueller insisted officials had no idea this kind of attack could happen when in fact the FBI had been investigating the possibility of EXACTLY this kind of attack for almost TEN YEARS.

Numerous previous attempts at using planes as weapons, intimate knowledge of terror plans called Project Bojinka, and knowledge of suspicious characters attending flight schools who were being monitored by the FBI make his utterance a clear lie on its face.

In the weeks before 9/11, the U.S. received warnings from all over the world that an event just like this was about to happen, but FBI investigations into suspected terrorists were suppressed and those warnings were deliberately disregarded.

- The names of the alleged hijackers, all ostensibly Muslims, were released to the public only hours after the attacks, despite Mueller saying we had no knowledge this would happen. This is an impossible twist of logic. If he didn't know of a plan to strike buildings with planes, how would he know the names of the hijackers?

Various artifacts were discovered in strategic places to try to confirm the government's story, but these have all been dismissed as suspicious planting of evidence. Since that time several [Arab suicide hijackers'] names on that list have turned up alive and well, living in Arab countries.

Yet no attempt has ever been made to update the list. And why were none of these names on the airlines' passenger lists?

- Much like the invasion of Iraq, the anthrax attacks were designed to deflect attention from unanswered 9/11 questions in the patriotic pandemonium that followed the tragedy.

In addition to making large amounts of money for the president's father and his friends from the hasty sale of inefficient drugs to a panicked populace, the investigation into these killings was abruptly halted when the trail of evidence led straight to the government's door, and has not been reopened.

The anthrax attacks also amped up the climate of fear and deflected attention from the passage of the government's repressive Patriot Act.

- The Patriot Act was presented in the days after the tragedy supposedly as a response to it, yet it was clear that this heinous act, drafted to nullify provisions for freedom in the U.S. Constitution, was put together long before 9/11. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it.

This was a vote to eliminate the Constitutional Bill of Rights, which has defined American freedom for 200 years, and it was accomplished when legislators voted for the bill without even reading it.

- The invasion of Afghanistan was presented as an attempt to pursue the alleged perpetrators of 9/11, yet it had been discussed for years prior to the tragedy and actually planned in the months before the attacks on New York and Washington.

Statements by Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Republican-written Project for a New American Century have stressed that America needed a formidable enemy to accomplish its aggressive geopolitical aims.

The supposed enemy we attacked in Afghanistan was a diverse group of men from all over the world who were initially recruited, encouraged and supported by the American CIA.

- The hole in the Pentagon was not made by a jumbo jet. Damage to the building was simply not consistent with the size of the hole nor the absence of debris. At the supposed point of impact, a whole bank of windows remained unbroken and there were no marks on the lawn.

No airplane debris (except what was planted on the lawn) nor remains of passengers were ever found.

- The president has admitted that he continued to read a story to schoolchildren in a Florida school for 30 minutes after being informed that two planes had struck New York and that the nation was under attack.. He has never explained this puzzling behavior, nor how he saw the first plane hit.

It was never televised, only recorded by a French crew filming firemen in New York. In that film, the plane in question does not appear to be a passenger airliner.

- The plane in Pennsylvania was shot down and broke apart in midair. No other explanation can account for the wreckage, which was spread over a six-mile area, or the eyewitness accounts that describe debris falling from the sky.

- Cellphone calls cannot be made from airliners in flight that are not close to the ground. As research by Professor A. K. Dewdney has shown, the emotional conversations between hijacked passengers and others would not have been possible under conditions that existed at that moment.

These calls were cynical FABRICATIONS, exploiting the distraught emotions of those who lost loved ones.

- Radio communications from firefighters on the upper floors of the Trade Center towers clearly indicate that fires were under control and the structure was in no danger of collapsing.

These are merely a few of the deliberately false statements made by U.S. officials about 9/11. They provide crystal clear evidence that our president, his staff, and many legislators should be indicted on charges of treason, obstruction of justice and mass murder.

Above all, these evil men should be removed from their positions of authority before they implement more of their moneymaking murder schemes like the one they are now perpetrating on the innocent people of Iraq.

Otherwise, we face a future of endless war abroad and merciless repression at home.

Consider just a few more of the other unanswered questions from among the thousands of unexplained loose ends that all point to 9/11 being an inside job.

- Who benefited from the suspiciously high numbers of put options purchased prior to September 11 for shares in companies whose stock prices subsequently plummeted, on the supposition that whoever was behind the hijacking was also behind most of the purchases of these put options?

And what was the role of the new executive director of the CIA, Buzzy Krongard, who handled these transactions?

- Why was the debris from the collapsed Twin Towers removed from the site with no forensic examination?

Why was almost all of it sold to scrap merchants and shipped abroad where it would not be available for scientific examination?

- Why does the government refuse to release any transcripts of communications or any records at all relating to signals of any form transmitted by those jets?

- Why did so many people, from San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to many employees of companies in the World Trade Center who failed to come to work that day, know in advance that something bad was going to happen on Sept. 11, 2001?

- Why do all the major U.S. media continue to act as if none of these questions is legitimate or relevant?

Today, millions of people around the world are protesting the criminal destruction of the nation of Iraq.

But these protests won't change the number of minds necessary to stop America's criminal madmen from continuing with their genocidal aim of enslaving the entire world.

What WILL stop them is spreading the realization that President George W. Bush and his billionaire accomplices in the oil industry perpetrated 9/11 as an excuse to begin the militarization of America for the purpose of world conquest.

History has shown all too clearly the deceived American people WILL support the destruction of faraway countries on phony pretexts of defending so-called freedom.

Thus the needless wars continue. Right now we watch high-tech weapons slaughter the defenseless people of Iraq.

Soon it will be Iran, Syria, Colombia, Venezuela, North Korea, Egypt, Libya, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and who knows where else. All these misguided atrocities will be possible because of the hoax known as 9/11.

But the American people will not - and cannot - tolerate leaders who kill our own people merely to invent a pretext - the war on terror - to go around killing anyone they like.

If the American people DO tolerate such an insane strategy, then they clearly do not deserve to survive as a nation or a people.

Thanks for the ten page essay. I am going to use this in my politics cllass if you dont mind. Thank you for typing my final for me.

[surferarmo]

Homenetmen is bad ass. What chapters are you guys in?

[Anonymouse]

I like your sarcasm. Hehehe. But I didn't write that, Harry Potter did.

[surferarmo]

Well, don't get me wrong, I am deeply interested in politics but I can see why so many americans just don't care about it anymore. when the contract to reconstruct the iraqi oil system was given to the company formerly ran by xxxx Cheney BEFORE THE WAR HAD EVEN STARTED, you can see that there definitely is something wrong going on. Something deeper than what we can change as individuals.

As two people interested by politics, I think we are interpelled by different aspects of it. While you may preach the lower prices globalization will bring for Americans, I will be reminding people of the 15 year old boys in Haiti who are working in toxic fumes for 11 cents an hour, making toys for McDonalds. While you will tell us that the war on Irak was beneficial because of oil and whatever, I'll be thinking about the fact that it's been almost a month and nor water nor electricity has been restored in the country.

You may be deeply convinced that Governor Gray Davis must be recalled for I don't know what reason (I don't know much about american interior politics), I just can't see it making any changes for the BIG PICTURE, or shall I say for MY big picture.

It's a matter of values and priorities. By being a scouting leader, Jahannam is teaching kids how to be better citizens, better human beings and better armenians (they're armenian scouts right?). That in itself is quiiite a social responsibility. Everybody does their part, in the "sphere" which they find more relevant to their priorities, interests, and abilities.

There is that little boy making those toys, and I am for solidarity with workers. That is more a people than a party issue. I do not go to McDonalds, and I dont get NIKE or GAP, or any other corp. that I know exploits workers. I am republican so I dont believe that the government should get involved with business. I think the consumers have the power of exchange, and if we used it more often, we could do some damage. Believe I do what I can, even though it will never be enough.

I will inform you about the issues ensuing California, and how it directly relates to Gray Davis. He should be recalled for the following reasons. When Pete Wilson left office, there was a 8 billion dollar surplus. Now we have a 36 billion dollar deficit. Our deficit is larger than some states budget. The ignorant will say that every state faces such problems, but I beg to differ. Nevada and New Jersey are opening new schools. We have to close down schools here, because of Gray Davis' over spending and irresponsible management of the budget.

The cutbacks in education are devastating. Tuition on my campus rose 11% this quarter and will raise again. The writing program is being threatened out of existence. A writing program is going to be ousted from a University!!! A whole form of expression is being tossed. Two elementary schools in my local area were proposed to be shut down. The only thing keeping them open is a group of people raising money under the organization of measure B. The money he took from schools is going towards prisons. Criminals get better treatment than our students. I have contacts on the school board in Glendale, and they explained to me the budget appropriated to them from the state. They get only 5% of their budget from federal funds. The rest is from the state and local communities. The school board has categorical funds. They must put a certain percentage of money towards a category ie supplies, salaries, transporation, maintanence, etc... Well, say if there are enough supplies, the school district must still spend money on those supplies. They are in essence forced to waste money. If they had flexibility in their funding, they could save teacher's jobs. Many teachers are being laid off.

When he messes up, he raises our taxes. We have the 7th highest tax rate in the nation, and he proposes to raise our taxes yet again. THis is irresponsible leadership. He says his main priority is public education...that is a lie.

If he is recalled, and say a Republican gets in office, he will lower taxes and business owners will have to pay lower taxes and thus will be able to hire more workers. This means the unemployment rate will go down. People will then start spending more, and the economy will be stimulated bringing the state economy back on its feet.

He needs to go. Dump Davis!!!

[surferarmo]

My main point in this thread though was not that people should care about poilitics, but many people complain about the disparities and act as though they care, yet they do nothing about it...not even register to vote. And if you are in scouting that is a political organization. You are teaaching the young ones how to be better citizens. The first step is to register.