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  • Is Bush Right?

    Well - we all know he is right (wing) - but this is a very interesting question that I have thought on myself recently. For all the critique and cynicsim - and I've certainly fallen in this camp - is there actually progress in the Middle East towards Democracy, can it be sustained - and is it a good thing (etc). As much as I have problems with the administrations approach and other aspects of US policy in the Middle East - I do think that perhaps some credit - in terms of results/movement towards a positve goal - can be given. But of course - many will line up to comply with US wishes - I mean we are a cash cow and for other (related) reasons...but will the end result be establishment of or greater presence of (and sustainability of/greater plurality etc and) Democracies in the Middle East - or is it all a sham?

    Is Bush Right?

    President's Critics Reconsider Democracy's Prospects in the Middle East
    By Jefferson Morley

    washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
    Tuesday, March 8, 2005


    In countries where President George Bush and his policies are deeply unpopular, online commentators are starting to think the unthinkable.

    "Could George W. Bush Be Right?" asked Claus Christian Malzahn in the German newsweekly Der Spiegel. Essayist Guy Sorman asked last month in the Paris daily Le Figaro (by subscription), "And If Bush Was Right?" In Canada, anti-war columnist Richard Gwyn of the Toronto Star answered: "It is time to set down in type the most difficult sentence in the English language. That sentence is short and simple. It is this: Bush was right."

    The tipping point came last week when Lebanon's pro-Syrian government fell. The international online media, much of which had been critical of Bush during his first term, had to acknowledge democratic developments on the American president's watch. Many commentators also cited free elections in Afghanistan last fall, Palestinian elections in early January followed by the Jan. 30 Iraq elections. Then came local elections in Saudi Arabia and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's announcement of constitutional changes allowing his opposition to challenge him electorally.

    Given Bush's insistence that the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq would lead to a democratic political order in the Middle East, many Europeans are "somewhat embarrassed" by these developments, Sorman wrote in Le Figaro.

    "Hadn't they promised, governments and media alike, that the Arab street would rise up [against U.S. military forces], that Islam would burn, that the American army would get bogged down, that the terrorist attacks would multiply, and that democracy would not result nor be exported?"

    "These dramas did not occur," Sorman says. "Either Bush is lucky, or it is too early to judge or [Bush's] analysis was not false."

    Rüdiger Lentz, Washington correspondent for the German broadcast network Deutsche Welle, wrote, "There have been many good reasons to criticize the messianic political style of Bush's first term. But isn't it time now to stop finger-pointing and bickering?"

    "After all, one has to acknowledge that Afghanistan and Iraq might have been catalysts for what we see now happening in Lebanon, in Egypt and even between the Palestinians and Israel."

    In Germany, the economic daily Financial Times Deutschland accused Europeans of ignoring events in Lebanon. "It is bizarre that here in Germany, where the Berlin Wall once stood, this development (in Lebanon) is greeted with hardly a shrug," according to a translation by Der Spiegel Web site. The paper borrowed a phrase from New Yorker columnist Kurt Andersen saying that Europe is engaging in political "short selling -- hoping for bad news to back up the continent's 'ideological investment'" in opposing Bush.

    "Short selling," the paper concluded, "is an honorable strategy on the stock exchange but in terms of democracy, it is looking more and more like a major mistake. Indeed, it isn't honorable at all."

    Robert Fisk, veteran Middle East correspondent for London's Independent (by subscription) begged to differ on Monday. Writing from Beirut, Fisk predicted that Bush's call for Syria to withdraw from Lebanon would only hurt the Lebanese.

    "Have we forgotten 150,000 dead?" he asked referring to the estimates of the number of people killed in the Lebanese civil war of 1975 to 1989. "Have we forgotten the Western hostages? Have we forgotten the 241 Americans who died in the suicide bombing of 23 October 1983? This democracy, if it comes, will be drenched with blood -- but the blood will be that of the Lebanese who live here, not that of the foreigners who wish to bestow freedom upon them."

    Palestinian journalist Daoud Kuttab is not so pessimistic.

    "The Lebanese intifada has provided a strong model for the Arab world," Kuttab writes in the West Bank-based Arabic Media Internet Network."It has sent shock waves throughout the Arab world," he says, noting that many Arabs had given up on the possibility of peaceful and patriotic democratic movements.

    Whether Arab democrats will credit Bush is another issue, Kuttab says. The administration's pro-Israeli policies still give them pause. While the American president's campaign for democracy "echoes deep seated demands that have gone unnoticed in the entire region," Arab democrats also believe that Palestinians "deserve the same democratic independence from the Israeli occupation that they [are] seeking from their autocratic regimes."

    The unhappy truth, says Kuttab, is that Arabs find themselves living under occupation in Iraq and Palestine and living under autocracy in 21 other countries.

    "But despite this miserable state of affairs, a glimmer of hope has finally emerged giving lovers of peace democracy and human rights something to celebrate," he writes.

    Rami G. Khouri, editor and columnist for the Daily Star in Beirut says Arab democrats and Bush policymakers both deserve credit.

    In Egypt, Lebanon and Palestine, he writes, established power structures are "being compelled to change by the force of will of their own people -- people in the streets who risk imprisonment, retributive punishment, or even death by challenging and resisting their prevailing power elite."

    At the same time, Khouri goes on, "the presence of the U.S. and other foreign forces in Iraq also certainly has played a role in focusing the minds of various Arab leaders on their need to change and modernize quickly."

    "The urgent, significant, unprecedented political reality" is that ordinary Arabs and the U.S. government "share mutually advantageous common goals," he writes. Those goals include replacing dictatorships, forging a just Israeli-Palestinian peace and establishing diplomacy and the rule of law in the region.

    "This has never happened in recent memory, which is why it is important now to focus on what needs to be done by all concerned parties, rather than argue about who started the ball rolling. We both did."

  • #2
    this is such BS, ok then let me ask this, was reagan responsible for the removal of the berlin wall? was the US reponsible for the collaps of the soviet union? the answer is no to both and the answer for this BS is that bush was WRONG and he will always remain wrong... he hasnt done anything right for this country or for any other country on this globe...

    tell me where was the US when armenia declared indepence? why did armenia after declaring indepence "elect" the communist leader to be the president of Armenia by 99%? because they didnt... the US still doesnt have democray right, and its a growth process, but the US has done nothing intentionally to help any country become "democratic"

    the US depleated the Russian government of FUNDS by using the Aerospace and defence administrations to compete with, and of course, just like in any bugs bunny cartoon, whose bombs are bigger and how much money they have spent is the measure, the US was a lot more powerful, and UNINTENTIONALLY starved armenians and others in the soviet union, destroyed the electricity and water systems, and when people became so FAMISHED! that they couldnt take being beaten up so much by their government (who was constantly racing to have the biggest bombs), they OVERTHROUGH the government (known as the SOVIET UNION) and when this happened, guess what the US did? NOTHING! but they did take all this unfounded credit for it...

    it promissed and promissed and promissed and actually made armenia kneel over to turkey and let turkey walk all over it...

    THANKS mr. bush and mr. reagan...

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    • #3
      Nune, I agree.

      I hate that the US claimed that they "defeated" Communism in the SU. The people of the SU are the only ones who defeated Communism. Its called a revolution. I hate to speak badly of the dead, but Reagan was a bastard.

      Bush is not right about anything. He deserves no respect.

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      • #4
        I'm not going to challenge your various contentions - though I may not entirely agree 100% - however I don't think that this issue is the same as the US declaring victory vs Communism etc. Its clear that the Bush administration has made this idea of establishing a foothold for Democracy a policy objective for the Middle East (perhaps they backed into such after failure to find WMD - regardless..). Anyway I do think that there is a legitimate argument that as a result of this push there has been movement to Democracy. Questions over how meaningful are these develoments (are these elections sufficient to actually be considered establishing Democracy - knowing that you don't just declare an election and viola - Democracy...) and with the issue of will it really last. I'm skeptical but somewhat surprised with the seeming progress in such a short amount of time. I thought it a legit question anyway and was curious what others thought...thats all.

        And its easy to paint everything the US does in the world as bad - its just not so. I'm not an apologist for all aspects of US policy - certainly not - and I am even less enamoured by many of the decisions, positions and the manner that the current administration has proceeded on many things internationally - but I fundementally believe that the US - for the most part - is trying to do good in the world - and while I think much could be improved - I think its wrong to just paint the US as the villian without a more thorogh examination of the facts of many of these issues - additionally I certainly wouldnt trust any other nation in the role the US has today (though maybe I would say that the role itself is somewhat problamatic...)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ArmoBarbi
          Nune, I agree.

          I hate that the US claimed that they "defeated" Communism in the SU. The people of the SU are the only ones who defeated Communism. Its called a revolution. I hate to speak badly of the dead, but Reagan was a bastard.

          Bush is not right about anything. He deserves no respect.
          No one "defeated" Communism even though America likes to claim it did. It defeated itself. Economically speaking, it is flawed, as such it defeated itself.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Anonymouse
            No one "defeated" Communism even though America likes to claim it did. It defeated itself. Economically speaking, it is flawed, as such it defeated itself.
            It was inherently flawed and was destined to fail - yes. That doesnt mean that "it defeated itself". The people who realised the falsity and rose up against it are the ones who defeated it.

            I saw it with my own eyes as a child in Moscow. People demonstrated on the streets. They demanded democracy. There were new leaders who were willing to fight for the public.

            Communism defeated itself no more than it was defeated by Reagan.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ArmoBarbi
              It was inherently flawed and was destined to fail - yes. That doesnt mean that "it defeated itself". The people who realised the falsity and rose up against it are the ones who defeated it.

              I saw it with my own eyes as a child in Moscow. People demonstrated on the streets. They demanded democracy. There were new leaders who were willing to fight for the public.

              Communism defeated itself no more than it was defeated by Reagan.
              If you understand economics, you will see how Communism defeated itself. Until then, there is no point in arguing this.
              Achkerov kute.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Anonymouse
                If you understand economics, you will see how Communism defeated itself. Until then, there is no point in arguing this.
                Did you not read my first phrase?? I know EXACTLY what you are basing your opinion on. Ive heard plenty of discussion on Communism by people who have forgotten more about it than you will ever know.

                There is no point arguing this, no, but not because I dont "understand economics".

                Now run along

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ArmoBarbi
                  Did you not read my first phrase?? I know EXACTLY what you are basing your opinion on. Ive heard plenty of discussion on Communism by people who have forgotten more about it than you will ever know.

                  There is no point arguing this, no, but not because I dont "understand economics".

                  Now run along
                  Precisely because you don't understand economics is why there is no point in arguing.
                  Achkerov kute.

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                  • #10
                    LOL - you tell him ArmoBarbi...as if he is some expert on economics...he probably doesn't even have a checking account...

                    I do believe though that ultimatly communism is an untenable system. It just goes against human nature in so many ways. Funny though how we still have the PRC, North Korea and Cuba holding out....and much of Europe seems to be leaning towards a (non-totalitarian) typs of communism eh? Socialism in any event (and I'm decidedly mixed on if I would want to live under such)....least its better being rich then poor...

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