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  • #11
    Originally posted by winoman
    LOL - you tell him ArmoBarbi...as if he is some expert on economics...he probably doesn't even have a checking account...
    Now, now, Mr. Winoman, no need to get frustrated over some forum mouse. Remember, frustration doesn't control us, we control frustration. So relax, and enjoy. Here I'll pour you some more wine.

    Achkerov kute.

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    • #12
      there is no point in arguing economics with anony... unlike anony i actuall DO HAVE a degree in economics... and unlike anony, i completely agree with armobarbi...

      winoman dont be apologetic for the US, after all the US is the only country in the world that has EVER used a nuclear weapon, and probably it will remain this way forever... if the world was duplicated by the US style of democracy then we would not exists, since at the slightest hint of competition, someone would actually use a nuclear weapon...

      the US just happens to be in the right place at the right time (NOW)... but mark my words, arabs and generally speaking of muslims, dont forget easily, and they will never like the US, the US is up israels a$$ and that means that they will NEVER forgive the US for smiling nicely at them in one instance and stabbing them in the back at another...

      and i think that an election doesnt mean there is democray... look at the US, we had an election, guess what happened TWICE in a ROW! the person elected was not the person sitting in the presidents seat...

      thank you democracy!

      and i think i'd rather live in a docial-democracy then this one, or any type of communism... the problems also were not from pure communism, the problems were that people lobbied and abused the public (much like what is done in the US) and thats why we had a revolution... and we shall have one here too... when these people WAKE UP!

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      • #13
        Originally posted by nunechka
        there is no point in arguing economics with anony... unlike anony i actuall DO HAVE a degree in economics... and unlike anony, i completely agree with armobarbi...
        understood. Though actually I think it is an absurd statement for anyone to make to say that they understand economics...not even the top Economists in the world should be making such an untrue and unsupported statement - lol

        Originally posted by nunechka
        winoman dont be apologetic for the US, after all the US is the only country in the world that has EVER used a nuclear weapon, and probably it will remain this way forever... if the world was duplicated by the US style of democracy then we would not exists, since at the slightest hint of competition, someone would actually use a nuclear weapon...
        I disagree that the US will be the only nation to use nukes...but we'll see and of course I hope that I am wrong. And as for US bashing - well its easy to do - but I think folks often lose site of the great many good things about this country. I also have a difficult time buying into any consipiracy theories - its more chaos/discordia IMO. But yeah - some very bad/questionable folks running (or should that be ruining) some things now...can only hope that they aren't as nasty as they seem...and I do believe that some (maybe even most) actually do believe that they are doing the right things and for the right reasons...misguided as they might be - IMO...and right (as in wing) is the word here too... I just think things need to be considered from all sides thats all...

        Originally posted by nunechka
        the US just happens to be in the right place at the right time (NOW)... but mark my words, arabs and generally speaking of muslims, dont forget easily, and they will never like the US, the US is up israels a$$ and that means that they will NEVER forgive the US for smiling nicely at them in one instance and stabbing them in the back at another...
        Yes - the Crusades never ended...its reaslly so true

        And our unconditional support of Israel is indeed problematic...

        Originally posted by nunechka
        and i think that an election doesnt mean there is democray... look at the US, we had an election, guess what happened TWICE in a ROW! the person elected was not the person sitting in the presidents seat...
        Yes - and this is in part my point - or what I wished there to be some focus on...(that elections don't at all mean Democracy...I mean the SU had elections didn't they...and there is so much more to establishing a real Democracy - and even the US - as advanced as any towards such - isn't fully there. But we do have most of the elements in place - so the potential is there...

        No comment on the election(s) - aside from a reminder that the electorial college is in place to prevent Democracy - essentially...as some powers that be do not trust it...

        Originally posted by nunechka
        thank you democracy!

        and i think i'd rather live in a docial-democracy then this one, or any type of communism... the problems also were not from pure communism, the problems were that people lobbied and abused the public (much like what is done in the US) and thats why we had a revolution... and we shall have one here too... when these people WAKE UP!
        I think the jury is still out concerning social-democracies. While they have some obvious advantages in a practical sense (safety nets and such - and why not - can't we care for our own? etc) - but I still am uncomfortable ceeding such pre-eminant authority to the state. This is a fundemental issue IMO...as is the issue of the role of private enterprise in inovation and the power of the market. The former is rapidly disapearing in this country too - as everyone lines up for the governenment sponsored gravy train...and the latter - like social- Democracy IMO - may not be (unfourtunatly is not) the answer either. There is obvious power in free markets - but unregulated obviously has its flaws/dangers as well (unfortunatly...and again it may all be due to flaws in human nature...ideals just can't be achieved)...its all about comprimises in the end...such are the lessons of life...

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        • #14
          i love this country, i thank it everyday of my life for the freedom i have to even write this post... but the beauty of this country is that i can be critical of THE GOVERNMENT when they arent serving the people (me) and i can praise it when they do something good...

          however the best thing to do is to have a HEALTHY sense of critisizm, at all times...

          no matter who does what, they will let the power run to their head when they think "we are the super power of the world"... there is nothing about bush that i personally dont like... he is a regular man, but he is ruining our countries name, he represents us, do we want to be known as the nation that can pronounce the word nuclear? or that can't tell the difference between the plane and simple truth?

          because thats what we are... we are a bunch of idiots in this country... this country didnt learn anything from vietnam... or any other wars... we have short memories, we like the x-large pizza, we want the beef, we want it all, and we live happily in ignorance... that is the reality of this country, thats why the government does what ever they want...

          the great thing about this country is also it bad thing... we have the ability to have white supremicy groups, (they are even on CNN, they are given time slots on CNN people) that want to kill all people who do not fit in their discription of white, they are the people with the confederate flags, and these type of people in other countries are shunned upon, look at GERMANY! again, LOOK AT GERMANY! they call our current government "facist and hitler like" did anyone else get that? we, our country, (thru the grace of our government) was called a NAZI! that should make everyone alarmed and worried about where we are headed...

          i love both of my countries with all my heart and soul, but i have both of the governments, because they are both corrupt and WRONG... they do not help the public... but one says they do, and other shuts its mouth knowing well that they dont... you pick which one is in the business of liaing to the people, more then the other...

          my pick in the US government is liaing more to the people, then Armenia's government...

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          • #15
            Nunechka - I don't at all disagree with the gist of your (very nice, heartfelt and too the point) post. In many ways I could be and am often more critical...and I agree - that we can't normally be jailed, harrased or worse (like if we perhaps were in Turkey) for such - well thats a very good thing. And I really do think our govenrment does quite a bit well - or as well as we will ever see from a government I should think. Room for improvement - yes a great deal...

            And about those who believe and espouse things that you or I may feel are problematic...well they are enjoying the same protections as you and I - and until they cross the line with it - well they can just have there fun i guess...live and let live...

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            • #16
              Originally posted by ArmoBarbi
              Nune, I agree.

              I hate that the US claimed that they "defeated" Communism in the SU. The people of the SU are the only ones who defeated Communism. Its called a revolution. I hate to speak badly of the dead, but Reagan was a bastard.

              Bush is not right about anything. He deserves no respect.
              i totaly agree. becuase of bush and his policys i habe lost faith in our government.

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              • #17
                I'm just shocked to know that I live in the same country as the 50-60 million Americans that voted for Bush. What are they? BLIND? I'm not a democrat nor a republican, I'm a LOGICIST (I invented it) Whatever's logical, that's what you should do! AND IT'S NOT LOGICAL TO SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON A WAR [to fill up you and your friends' pockets (referring to Bush)] When we have a trade deficit, budget deficit and many other internal problems. You can say there was cheating on the elections in one or two states, but how about the other freaking 30-40 million dumbfudges?

                I just hope that the Democratic party doesn't come up with another Booger aka John Kerry to run for president in 2008. Find someone that has some fire in him!

                One more thing that I must add, just to cheer you guys up after you had to read my rage on Bush.

                You know that Hillary Clinton might run for the presidency for 2008 right? Do you know that if she becomes the president, what will happen to Clinton?
                He'll be the FIRST LADY! LMAO

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                • #18
                  LOGICIST! hahahaha

                  You do realize that there is no chance in heck that a woman will be elected in this country any time in the near future... even Hillary. This is the country who elected Bush two times in a row. There is simply NO WAY.

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                  • #19
                    Eyebaba - I hear you...you wonder sometime just what people are thinking...but then you have to realize that there are many here (in the States) who just aren't that educated/knowledgeble about things and there are many folks with a very narrow and limited view. And Bush - well hs is a Bible thumping, non-threatening (as in not smarter then anyone) good ole boy...and Kerry - well he was (percieved as) a rich establisment figure from New England - out of touch with middle America (which it seems he was) etc

                    As for Hillary - she has a lot going against her - just being a women of course (not that this should be a negative of course...but again perceptions...and that ole middle America...) - and the whole Clintonian baggage. Funny - because for the most part Clinton presided over a period of relative economic prosperity, he was fiscally conservative and not reallly a lefty radical at all - but boy did/does the right like to tar and feather him. All that being said - if anyone can do it - its Hillary...don't at all underestimate her. But yeah - the Dems have really blown these last 2 presidential elections - really eletions that were theirs to lose - as they had incumbancy and a strong economy and a weak challenger in the first one...and the record of failure and deciet (in pretty much all areas) in the second...most pathetic...IMO

                    I'm neither a Dem or Rep BTW - this last election is actually the first time I've ever voted for a major party candidate for President - and I've voted in every Presidential election since 1980. I've had 2 ideas for alternative parties. The first - the Reasonable party - whose basic platform would be to apply reason and rationality to issues - to think them through - cause and consequence - and try to make the best decisions - for the long term..etc etc...but I realized that this would just go nowhere...so I've come up with an idea for a 3rd party - called - the 3rd party - platform - we are not the other 2. We would accept anyone (and thinking local affiliation here) - with the idea that basically no matter what our candidate stand for if they can get elected we deam that they are representing their local constituency (within a certain reasonablness of course - no Hitlers - or even David Dukes I would think...but who knows). National party candidates might be trickier - as you wouldn't want a Ross Perot - with his $$$ taking over - so I haven't worked that part out. But essentially the (national & otherwise) platform would be - Were not those other guys - and how could we do worse? ...sort of thing...anyway - its an idea (whose time has perhaps come...)

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                    • #20
                      Ay BABAM! eyybaba... i had to say that... lol
                      i agree that his country is not to smart...

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