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Interesting that he thinks Allah's wrath will reign upon the US for its historical injustice to Native Americans and blacks, considering that the descendents of these people still live here. Would Allah killing them be more just? It's odd the way people can think of a nation as if it is some kind of unchanging, eternal object unto itself. When you punish a nation for historical crimes you are punishing people who are innocent of those crimes, which were themselves committed by people that no longer exist. This would be like punishing the nation of Islam for its invasions of Spain and India. No one alive today is responsible for that. Punishing a group of people who just happen to be of the same religious faith is ridiculous. Punishing a geographical coincidence is equally ridiculous.
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Hm louseyourname - I suppose we could apply the same logic to the Turks eh? Yeah its a legitimate point. But if you read and adhere to the old testament such punishments were metted out all the time - and I suppose this is mouse's refference where he implys that such disasters could occur (perhaps a la "the Day After Tommorow" - I myself think such "disasters" will likely be of a more subtle sort...or the result of human error..."no - not THAT BUTTON!" etc ...though (if you believe) Allah is a wrathful one....
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Originally posted by loseyournameInteresting that he thinks Allah's wrath will reign upon the US for its historical injustice to Native Americans and blacks, considering that the descendents of these people still live here. Would Allah killing them be more just? It's odd the way people can think of a nation as if it is some kind of unchanging, eternal object unto itself. When you punish a nation for historical crimes you are punishing people who are innocent of those crimes, which were themselves committed by people that no longer exist. This would be like punishing the nation of Islam for its invasions of Spain and India. No one alive today is responsible for that. Punishing a group of people who just happen to be of the same religious faith is ridiculous. Punishing a geographical coincidence is equally ridiculous.Achkerov kute.
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winoman i was thinking the same thing when i read loseyournames post... and i actually do feel that way about the people of turkey... because they are oppressed by their governemtn as much as armenians are oppressed by the turkish government...
the turkish poeple are not stupid, they are like anyone else... the government that decides trade bariers, or political position, and sways the people is the one responsible...
i actually started to feel this way when we got hit on 9/11 i was so sad, and i kept trying to convince my friends from different countries that its not the american people's fault, it is this terrible government... and now there is OVERWHELMING proof that it is the government, and now i even believe the corporations (who apperantly have a seat at the house and senate hearings (if you watch c-span you know what i mean) and they give speeches, etc... and then they "lobby" (which means give millions of dollars in "donations" to the government)... and this is how they sway the people...
it is easy to do it when you;ve got all media outlets saying the same thing... like the turkish education system, their government, their politicians, their leaders, etc... they all say the same thing about armenia... however as some of us here may remember a post of a letter by the turkish minority in sweden, who wrote to their government, asking them to stop denying it, and accept it and teach their people the truth, they even said, we acknowledge that the turkish government in fact did comit genocide against the armenians...
good one loseyourname and winoman
connect those DAMNED! dots
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