Draft

[bell-the-cat]

recruitment numbers have dropped by a huge number since the invasion of iraq. they even went up when we invaded afganistan. according to many generals the only way they are going to raise the army by the numbers they want it will be threw a draft.

the white house even let out a statement sayign they want to rasie the army by 50-100,000. and this would suck becuase iam the only person in my family that is a male and of draft age (will be soon anyway). my dad is to old and my brother is in another country.

they dont care if the population dosnt agree in the war, example:veitnam

There will be no draft. Not in America, not in Britain, not anywhere. The only fodder that will never be in short supply is canon-fodder. If the ease of going abroad and killing whoever you want without retribution isn't enough of an attraction to the average American blue-collar male, then all the added perks like salary and payment for a college education, ect., will do the job. And, anyway, why pay an American, when you can get some arsehole Iraqi Kurd to do the job for a quarter of the price.

[Anonymouse]

There will be no draft. Not in America, not in Britain, not anywhere. The only fodder that will never be in short supply is canon-fodder. If the ease of going abroad and killing whoever you want without retribution isn't enough of an attraction to the average American blue-collar male, then all the added perks like salary and payment for a college education, ect., will do the job. And, anyway, why pay an American, when you can get some arsehole Iraqi Kurd to do the job for a quarter of the price.

The problem is because of the gradual disintegration of the nation-states, and State armies/conventional war in general. What we are witnessing now is called 4th generation war, in which state armies become vulnerable to amorphous non-state entities. The use of hired Kurds and Iraqis is indicative of how national cohesion is gradually undermind (aka blind obedience to the State) and the State now must rely on paid mercenaries to fight non-state entities.

[winoman]

The problem is because of the gradual disintegration of the nation-states, and State armies/conventional war in general. What we are witnessing now is called 4th generation war, in which state armies become vulnerable to amorphous non-state entities. The use of hired Kurds and Iraqis is indicative of how national cohesion is gradually undermind (aka blind obedience to the State) and the State now must rely on paid mercenaries to fight non-state entities.

goblygook nonsense - as if mercenary armies are some new phenomonon...

You understand little of war - nor of vulnerabilities - US military is vulnerable to what? Please do tell me - your assumption is a joke.

[Anonymouse]

goblygook nonsense - as if mercenary armies are some new phenomonon...

You understand little of war - nor of vulnerabilities - US military is vulnerable to what? Please do tell me - your assumption is a joke.

Apparently these days people will use anything to justify ignorance. Alas there is a cure.

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[loseyourname]

bush cant be re-elected. he has nothing to lose. i doubt it will happen in the any time soon my self but i can see it happening with in the next 3 years or so.

Bush can't pass legislation. The congressmen who can do have to worry about re-election. We won't be having a draft, regardless of what you can see. The only way we would ever have a draft is if the US is directly attacked by a sovereign nation-state, although in such a case we'd probably have so many volunteers that a draft might not even be necessary.

[ArmenianKid]

Bush can't pass legislation. The congressmen who can do have to worry about re-election. We won't be having a draft, regardless of what you can see. The only way we would ever have a draft is if the US is directly attacked by a sovereign nation-state, although in such a case we'd probably have so many volunteers that a draft might not even be necessary.

true if anyone attacked the US they wouldnt get far, not becuase the army but becuase every single house has a gun, and behind that gun is a beer drinking redneck..... LOOK OUT!

[bell-the-cat]

goblygook nonsense - as if mercenary armies are some new phenomonon...

Yeh, we all know Hitler subcontracted out his invasion of Poland to Fiji, and Napoleon had armies full of US private security contractors.

[winoman]

Yeh, we all know Hitler subcontracted out his invasion of Poland to Fiji, and Napoleon had armies full of US private security contractors.

no point as usual - you do enjoy talking to yourself don't you...

[ArmenianKid]

a merc group called "executive operations" (now since broken up) was hired by the algolian government about 10 years ago to stop a rebel attack the government couldnt stop. in 3 months they killed 30,000 rebels and only lost 3 of thier own men.

the same group was offered a contract by rawandans but turned it down.

this is true. i swear to god, i saw it on the history channel

[Objectivist]

There will be no draft because the American people would be outraged. If we had a draft it would mean that our lives do not belong to us, that they belong to the state, and furthermore, the currently ruling gang in office.