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  • #21

    Imperialism and fascism should not be confounded.
    Achkerov kute.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Anonymouse

      Imperialism and fascism should not be confounded.
      Fascism:A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.

      Imperialism:the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas; broadly: the extension or imposition of power, authority, or influence.

      Imperialism very often bring's fascism , because i don't really remember any Imperialistic(from the Aggresor) war to begin , in order to benefit the people of the Imperialistic country.Which mean's that in that imperialistic country the state had higher priority , than the people.Which is why practicaly in a realistic world , Imperialism and Fascism , are confounded.
      Last edited by Red Brigade; 06-03-2005, 12:59 AM.

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      • #23
        The point is you have titled a thread about American fascism, and have posted a link of American imperialism, when the two are different things. And now you try to create a mythical link. While the cause and effect relationship exists (as in all things) it is not limited to or dependent on each other.
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        • #24
          Originally posted by Anonymouse
          The point is you have titled a thread about American fascism, and have posted a link of American imperialism, when the two are different things. And now you try to create a mythical link. While the cause and effect relationship exists (as in all things) it is not limited to or dependent on each other.

          Excuse me for my ignorance , but would you mind to state just five Imperialist nations in the whole human history, that were not fascists?

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Red Brigade
            Excuse me for my ignorance , but would you mind to state just five Imperialist nations in the whole human history, that were not fascists?
            Fascism is a modern concept referring to modern states. By your definition, technically speaking, every nation-state is a fascist, because they all present the state as the higher good in which the individual loses itself. Canada is a fascist and socialist state, although not an imperialist state.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Anonymouse
              Fascism is a modern concept referring to modern states. By your definition, technically speaking, every nation-state is a fascist, because they all present the state as the higher good in which the individual loses itself. Canada is a fascist and socialist state, although not an imperialist state.

              Fascism:A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.

              Key Words for Fascism:Highest Priority

              Originally posted by Anonymouse
              they all present the state as the higher good in which the individual loses itself
              Key words For Socialism:Higher Good

              There is a big difrence between Higher Good and Higher Priority.Don't you think so?

              Socialism:Government ownership of the sources of production,for the bennefit of the people.A social system which favors collective ownership of the means of economic production and distribution.


              Which makes this
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              fascist and socialist state 
              Practicaly an Oxymoron.
              Since it is not clear if that highest priority in fascism is counfounded with the higher good of the society and the people.

              In simple words , in fascism in the highest priority is/are the one(s) who control the state.
              In Socialism the highest priority are the people.

              However its understandable that opinions are contradicted , since the term Fascism , is something general and it is perceived in many different ways by the people.
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              By the way you didn't mentioned not even one Imperialist Non Fascist State in the whole Human history , so i take it that there never was one.

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              • #27
                GOOD MOVIE

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Red Brigade
                  Fascism:A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.

                  Key Words for Fascism:Highest Priority



                  Key words For Socialism:Higher Good

                  There is a big difrence between Higher Good and Higher Priority.Don't you think so?

                  Socialism:Government ownership of the sources of production,for the bennefit of the people.A social system which favors collective ownership of the means of economic production and distribution.


                  Which makes this
                  PHP Code:
                  fascist and socialist state 
                  Practicaly an Oxymoron.
                  Since it is not clear if that highest priority in fascism is counfounded with the higher good of the society and the people.

                  In simple words , in fascism in the highest priority is/are the one(s) who control the state.
                  In Socialism the highest priority are the people.

                  However its understandable that opinions are contradicted , since the term Fascism , is something general and it is perceived in many different ways by the people.
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                  By the way you didn't mentioned not even one Imperialist Non Fascist State in the whole Human history , so i take it that there never was one.

                  Do you remember Fransisco Franco of Spain?
                  Achkerov kute.

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                  • #29
                    None of the major Imperialist states from the modern era (Spain, Netherlands, Portugal, Great Britain, France, Japan) were fascist. For the most part, their empires pre-existed fascism.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by loseyourname
                      None of the major Imperialist states from the modern era (Spain, Netherlands, Portugal, Great Britain, France, Japan) were fascist. For the most part, their empires pre-existed fascism.
                      Even the fascist Franco remained in power after World War II, and was not an imperialist.
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