Irony of religion

[Anonymouse]

Re: Irony of religion

If you can make me happy then maybe.

What the world needs is either no god at all, or tens of thousands of little gods and goddesses. And have them as personal as possible. Not just the God of comfy shoes, but the God of my specific comfy shoes.

The problem I have with placing man at the center of the altar is that man is an imperfect phuck up. Modernity, and indeed, modern culture with all its venues of 'atheists' and 'agnostics' and other 'clever' minds who have solved all the riddles of man in the delusional confines of their mind like to believe in the nonsense that man is the measure of all things.

The exaltation and deification of man to saintly status is absurd, and it only comes at the expense of his spiritual qualities. Those who believe man is the measure of all things and not God assume that man is a finished product and doesn't need to be transformed.

One thing I have learned from Nietzsche is that man must be overcome. I love Nietzsche with a passion. But why would I love the philosophy of a man who proclaimed that God is dead? It is because I see no contradiction between his philosophy and that of mine. Excelsior!

[Anonymouse]

Re: Irony of religion

eeeeeeeeh ... what do you expect from religious people? If they were open minded enough to consider other possibilities, they wouldn't really be "religious" now, would they?

You mean, as open minded as the fanatics who grindingly hold on to the dogma of logic?

So I don't think asking why religious people feel so strongly is the right question. It's like asking why fat people weigh more than skinny people. The correct question would be why are there religious people at all, especially in this day and age?

The question can be rephrased, why do you feel so strongly about the religion of anti-religion?

The problem with the sort of naive questions with which you ended with is that, it fails to take into account that religion is natural to man and that all his endeavors are nothing but religions, as is the case of your extreme faith in logic, and rationalism to the point where you have to go out of your way to belittle those that express a faith of a different kind. Faith is faith, treat them all the same.

[One-Way]

Re: Irony of religion

I also have a feeling you and TomServo are the same person, same stupdity exemplified in both your posts...

You didn't know TomServo was my alias?

Re-read what you wrote, hun.

. . .

[Anahita]

Re: Irony of religion

It's a riddle. Figure it out!

Here is a little more…

--Coldplay, Clocks
Lights go out and I can't be saved

--Billy Joel, You May Be Right
Turn out the lights
Don't try to save me
You may be wrong for all I know
But you may be right.

--One, U2
Have you come here for forgiveness?
Have you come to raise the dead?
Have you come here to play Jesus?

-- Please Don't Turn Out the Lights, Bee Gees
so baby…
If your turned out the light, if you turned out the light,
Please don't turn out the light, please don't turn out the light
Turn out the lights

--Miami 2017 (Seen The Lights Go Out On Broadway), Billy Joel
To tell the world about...
The way the lights went out


“The largest electrical power outage in American history blacked out portions of eight American States, which included New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Michigan, Ohio, and Massachusetts, and the Canadian Province of Ontario, affecting nearly sixty million people.
The occurrence at around 4.00pm EST on Thursday the 14th of August 2003…

This major shut down affected practically every entity dependent upon electrical power, trains, planes, and practically every other mode of transportation, automobile manufacturing plants, Metro system subways, traffic lights, water pumping stations, sewage plants, gas stations, even Wall Street.
Hospitals, fortunately in most cases have generator back-up systems. ”

http://www.huddersfield1.co.uk/america/september2003/power_outage.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_North_America_blackout

--Guerilla Radio, Rage Against the Machine
Lights out. Guerilla radio.


--Smells Like Teen Spirit, Nirvanah
With the lights out it’s less dangerous
Here we are now
Entertain us


--Lights Out, Lisa Marie Presley
Someone turned the lights out there in Memphis


--Bad Day, REM
The lights went out, the oil ran dry
We blamed it on the other guy
Sure, all men are created equal.
Here’s the church, here’s the steeple


--Stairway to heaven Lyrics, Led Zeppelin
Ooh, ooh, and she's buying a stairway to heaven…
There's a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings


--Patience, Guns and Roses
Sit here on the stairs
'Cause I'd rather be alone
If I can't have you right now, I'll wait dear…
Said sugar take the time
'Cause the lights are shining bright…
I ain't got time for the game


--Real World, Matchbox 20
If i was someone else, would this all fall apart
Strange, where were you, when we started this game


--Jesus Was An Alien, Matchbox 20


--Renegades of Funk, Rage Against the Machine
From a different solar system many many galaxies away
We are the force of another creation
A new musical revelation
And we're on this musical mission to help the others listen.
Now renegades are the people with their own philosophies
They change the course of history
Everyday people like you and me



--Bright Lights, Matchbox 20
She took all except my name
Another alien on Broadway
Baby, baby, baby
When all your love is gone
Who will save me?…
But if the bright lights don't receive you
You should turn yourself around
And come on home


“When a child touches a harmless snake for the first time, compares leaf shapes, and counts the birds in her aural space while blindfolded, she is learning to read the oldest and largest book of all. THIS BOOK’s content rivals that of all the world's libraries - hard copy and electronic - forever. A large conserved wildland is a Web site containing hundreds of thousands of variously integrated Web sites. I will bet any day on the bioliterate person against the bioculturally deprived, be the arena second-guessing the Nasdaq, walking a beat, or writing ad copy for the iMac. The intelligent Web site will obtain the same value-added from being bioliterate.

And perhaps being bioliterate just might keep the carbon-based Web site in the game a bit longer as we go about our homogenization of humanity and machine. http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=1


--Guerilla Radio, Rage Against the Machine
Lights out. Guerilla radio.


“How a butterfly's wing can bring down Goliath Chaos theories calculate the vulnerability of megasystems?”

“When a system becomes extremely complex, a normally survivable event -- say, a lightning strike like the one Canadians initially suspected in Thursday's blackout -- can trigger what scientists call a devastating domino effect. The effect is well-known to physics experts in the fields of complexity theory, chaos theory and the theory of self-organized criticality…
The mysteries of particle physics are child's play compared with the forecasting of weather, riots, stock market wobbles, fluctuations in animal populations and other so-called nonlinear events.”

San Francisco Chronicle

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/08/15/MN191082.DTL

--Domino, Van Morrison
Lord, have mercy
I said oh-oh, Domino



--New Mother Nature, Guess Who
'Cause it's the new Mother Nature taking over
It's the new Splendid Lady come to call
It's the new Mother Nature taking over
She's gettin' us all

[TomServo]

Re: Irony of religion

I'll take shytty music for $1000, Alex.

[Anahita]

Re: Irony of religion

Get a haircut!

'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings
'Cause it's the new Mother Nature taking over

--Witchy Woman
Sparks fly from her finger tips
Echoed voices in the night
She’s a restless spirit on an endless flight
Wooo hooo witchy woman, see how
High she flies

Monty Python And The Holy Grail
WITCH: I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch.
BEDEMIR: But you are dressed as one.
WITCH: They dressed me up like this.
CROWD: Burn her! Witch! Witch! Burn her!
BEDEMIR: Did you dress her up like this?
CROWD: No, no... no ... yes. Yes, yes, a bit, a bit.


--Sacred Love, Sting
You're my religion, you're my church
You're the holy grail at the end of my search...
The spirit moves on the water
She takes the shape of this heavenly daughter
She's rising up like a river in flood
The word got made into flesh and blood
The sky grew dark, and the earth she shook


I told you, I'll float.

[TomServo]

Re: Irony of religion

"I can hip-hop, be-bop, dance till ya drop, and yo yo make a mean cup of coco." -- Mrs. Euphegenia Doubtfire

[Anahita]

Re: Irony of religion

"I can hip-hop, be-bop, dance till ya drop, and yo yo make a mean cup of coco." -- Mrs. Euphegenia Doubtfire

--She bop, Cindy Lauper
She bop--he bop--a--we bop
I bop--you bop--a--they bop
Be bop--be bop--a--lu--she bop,
I... hope... He... will understand


"It was a run-by fruiting..." -- Mrs. Euphegenia Doubtfire

[TomServo]

Re: Irony of religion

[Sip]

Re: Irony of religion

The question can be rephrased, why do you feel so strongly about the religion of anti-religion?

I don't. I don't believe strongly about any religion (including the anti-religion as you mean it). I know you'll come back saying that that is a religion in and of itself ... but that is leading towards the discussion of a tautology in which I am not very interested in participating. In other words, I don't think it's worthwhile to discuss a notion x, when the presence and absence of x are both labeled as x.

So in order to clarify what I was referring to with religion, I mean religion as something that falls under either of these definitions:

1. RELIGION beliefs and worship: people’s beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life

2. RELIGION particular system: a particular institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine


Anyone who forms ANY religion that falls under any of the two definitions as above, really only has to do so by "faith" because the divine is by definition super natural and not really subject to "verification" by our limited senses. So I guess that is also why I would advocate the "anti-religion" as you call it, and how it is different than religion. But the anti-religion I have doesn't say that "there is no God" ... it just says that religion can't be proven right so there is really no reason to "believe" in it as The Truth (it's the tired old agnostic/atheist/etc debate).