S.o.s!!

[LadySilver]

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well its all good, lot of great singers are going to perform and should be a blast whereever it goes ( however I dont understand how they are going to do a concert in Antartica, will the penguins come?)

They performed yesterday and it was nice to watch. They only had one band in Antarctica and yes some penguins showed up. There was no crowd, it was -15 below when the band was performing.

[Sip]

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By the way, I'm still waiting for you to "bring Math into it!!!" It will be a lot of fun at your expense.

All humility aside, since you mentioned your superiority in "Computer Science", I am pretty sure I could wipe the floor with you Al-Gore-itmically if you are ever up to the challenge. I think Karoaper would make an excellent impartial judge. I have full trust in his abilities. The format I would suggest is each of us posing a set of algorithmic question to the other with a given time frame to formulate an answer (on the honor system and hopefully without resorting to your favorite venue, i.e. no "google", no asking other people, and no looking up in any text books). Should prove to be fun ... of course we should provide Karoaper the answers we feel are best to the questions we pose.

[karoaper]

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All humility aside, since you mentioned your superiority in "Computer Science", I am pretty sure I could wipe the floor with you Al-Gore-itmically if you are ever up to the challenge. I think Karoaper would make an excellent impartial judge. I have full trust in his abilities. The format I would suggest is each of us posing a set of algorithmic question to the other with a given time frame to formulate an answer (on the honor system and hopefully without resorting to your favorite venue, i.e. no "google", no asking other people, and no looking up in any text books). Should prove to be fun ... of course we should provide Karoaper the answers we feel are best to the questions we pose.

Ohh goody! I can maybe suggest a few questions myself. I'll also contact cable pay-per-view to televise the event.

But, I might have a stipulation before i judge this event: that afterwards you guys shake your hands and support each other as two Armos and colleagues in science and technology.

Thanks for the vote of confidence though Sip. I have checked out your paper on the ultimate path finding through a network of sensors. Very neat. And Siamanto, you have always struck me as a knowledgeable person. There was a post that gave me the impression that you too are in CS. Personally, I get excited thinking that some day I might meet one of you in a conference somewhere and we can feel more proud that Armos are advancing the high tech fields.

[Sip]

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The beauty of CS is there are often easily verifiable "better" and "worse" answers We can argue over my level of stupidity or whether man made Global Warming is real till the cows come home, but I will be first to acknowledge an elegant, neat, or correct solution to a CS type algorithmic question. I also think Siamanto would be a very worthy oponent but I hope he will stand up to a real challenge as opposed to continuing to call me all sorts of names.

What disturbs me is I can't remember ever having had a serious conversation with him on any such scientific topics yet he is somehow convinced he is so much superior. Well, as they say, time to bring in ooon BIOTCH! And I mean that with the utmost respect

[Sip]

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By the way, I would prefer the "contest" to be down to the level of implementation ... i.e. pose a problem with well defined inputs and outputs with the answer being in the form of a real implementation of the proposed algorithm (to easily check to see if it works and also to have a real means of comparison in terms of actual complexity rather than theoretical worst or average case) be it in C/C++, Java, matlab, whatever. But I am not sure if Siamanto would be up for that level of a "test" in CS.

As a suggestion, we could follow the ACM rules but given the setting here, that might be overkill

[Siamanto]

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In my opinion true science is testing, discovery, being honest with ones findings and not giving misinformation to gain a grant, win a contract or to obtain wealth through false information and justifying greed.

OK The first part of your sentence simply enumerates some of the activities carried in Experimental - not all - Sciences. The second part rightfully emphasizes the necessity of Intellectual Integrity - that should, by the way, be inherent to all types of activities, not only scientific.

Unfortunately, lack of Intellectual Integrity, is a human trait. Now, the question is: "Do you think that Intellectual Integrity - though it cannot be quantified - is found in a lesser - or more - degree among different populations of scientists and/or engineers?"

I personally think we are going through an Earth cycle of changes that may be normal.

Everybody is aware of the existence of cycles and if you think otherwise, then you should question the quality and Intellectual Integrity of your sources of information.
Every phenomenon of such magnitude and persistence is usually - if not always - is the result - and/or is explained - by many factors; recognizing one factor should not equate to denying the existence of others. Humans may not be able to control the evolution of all factors, but we can surely control some and minimize their negative impact.
In other words, it may be "normal" - i.e. natural - only to a certain degree.

Every year new information is found that changes the way we think.

What is the point? Are you suggesting that we should postpone all decisions because we may reconsider them in the future? That's how the Humanity and Sciences have evolved.

I also think that we do not have enough information yet to come to a good decision.
I found some additional information that explains what I think. This was from information on Wikipedia.

I think that we have enough data to think that CO2 emissions, coupled with deforestation likely affect
1- The temperature of Earth's atmosphere
2- The volatility i.e. impredictibility and energy of air flow
3- Redistribution of planetary water
4- ...

The above have numerous adverse socio-economical consequences and are enough reasons for a change of attitude towards Mother Nature.

As an example: someone who enters a new country and observes only white sheep might form the hypothesis that all sheep in that country are white. It can be considered a hypothesis, as it is falsifiable. Anyone could falsify the hypothesis by observing a single black sheep. Provided that the experimental uncertainties are small (for example, provided that one can fairly reliably distinguish the observed black sheep from (say) a goat), and provided that the experimenter has correctly interpreted the statement of the hypothesis (for example, does the meaning of "sheep" include rams?), finding a black sheep falsifies the "white sheep only" hypothesis. This sort of example provides the easiest way to understand the term "hypothesis".

OK You are expressing
1- In some simplified form, the Shannon sampling theorem of Information Theory
2- That a hypothesis of Empirical - not all i.e. Math - Sciences should be falsifiable. On the subject of falsifiability, you may be interested to look into Karl Popper's epistemological work

Now, the question is: "Do you think that the above principles are respected to a lesser - or more - degree among different populations of scientists and/or engineers?"

Al Gore is a joke and as far as being the best America has to offer is a bigger joke.

Al Gore may be a US domestic "issue" and the World knows and cares little about internal US politics and/or issues. The issue is of planetary importance and, so far, he seems to be - fortunately or unfortunately - the only player. Recently, California made a move as well as NYC.
Second of all, if he's a joke then one can only blame the US to be so uneducated and unprepared on the subject.

Global warming is a fact to some scientist, not all.

The same is true of any phenomena of such importance, including in Formal i.e. Mathematical Sciences; for instance, Set Theorists vs. Logicians, Intuitionist Logic vs. "Official" Mathematical Logic etc.
There exist historians who think differently about the Armenian Genocide....
Such is Humanity!

The subject is so complex that no one knows the truth.

First of all, by definition, Experimental Sciences are not about knowing the "truth" - a concept buried in the 19th Century.
Second of all, the same is true of any phenomena of such importance. Some prefer to be more risk averse and take preventive actions.

As far as it being a religion, people believe it is a fact. For every example that is negative there is another that is positive.
Is the Earths temperature going up or down, depends on who you ask.

I'm not sure what you mean; but, religious belief characterize a mental attitude towards a subject matter, it does not characterize the object of the belief. We are discussing the object not the attitude of some.

Is the Earths temperature going up or down, depends on who you ask.

All depends on your scope; based on the data it is going locally up. Is it a local disturbance or not and/or will it reverse, is hard to tell; however, it is wiser to be risk averse and learn to be more responsible.

We have had the earth is coming to the end from believers for hundreds, maybe thousands of years.

I can't help you here. As I said before, you should have that discussion with religious people; let's keep in mind that people - specially in the US - can be religious, obsessed, hysterical about many things: communists, tobacco, Islamists, hair, teeth/smile, and the list is long.

I have a lot of respect for you and your opinions, my intention is to respect you not argue with you.

Respectfully

Avak

Thanks and don't worry. Likewise, I respect the fact that you for have an open mind.

Regards,
Siamanto.

[Siamanto]

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Siamanto, I can only assume that your conclusions about my scientific abilities and technical knowledge comes from you having read one of my papers. Would you please tell me which one of the papers you dislike most? Maybe you have some constructive criticism or just ANY real criticism other than purely slandering me as a "hack". Well, ready to put your brain where your emotions are? I already know you dislike me as a person but can you really back up your other claims?

Of course as a scientist, I am ALWAYS open to such criticism (if it is founded and well thought out). But if you are just going to continue to b!tch about me like a little girl, please save yourself the embarassment.

[By the way, have you considered whining and crying about your hurt ego in a separate thread, so I won't have to reply in this one? I may not reply to your whining in this thread anymore. If you have anything to add, start a new thread.]


You really live in fantasy world and are even more oblivious, clueless and dumb than most of jurks who visit us on this forum.

By the way, what happened to the Math? We both know that it was nothing but hot air, a childish and stupid bluff, because we both know that you can, at best, handle High School level Math. You naively thought it would impress the reader!!! What an idiot!

I should have taken my own advice in this thread. There is REALLY no use.

Yes, you would have spared us your childish stupid bluffs and spared yourself the humiliation.

But Siamanto, in case you have any interest to really read some of my papers before jumping to these amazing conclusions about me in fields which have never really been topics of discussion in these forums, I will be more than happy to send you some links.

Not on AC but on Hi4um! Also, I read your discussions with Azat and Fadix.
So desperately trying to save face and console your humiliated ego, overinflated with hot air?

Otherwise, I might be forced to rename Anahita Syndrom to something else

Please feel free to rename it as you wish; it may console the pathetic loser that you are but will probably not help you grow up???

All humility aside, since you mentioned your superiority in "Computer Science", I am pretty sure I could wipe the floor with you Al-Gore-itmically if you are ever up to the challenge. I think Karoaper would make an excellent impartial judge. I have full trust in his abilities. The format I would suggest is each of us posing a set of algorithmic question to the other with a given time frame to formulate an answer (on the honor system and hopefully without resorting to your favorite venue, i.e. no "google", no asking other people, and no looking up in any text books). Should prove to be fun ... of course we should provide Karoaper the answers we feel are best to the questions we pose.

All humility or all humiliated and aware of the stupidity of your first bluff, and desperately trying to save face - or make a bigger fool of yourself - with another childish game? What a pathetic loser! The nature of your "challenge" simply proves my point and is the expression of the simplistic and narrow minded view that you have of Computer Science.

Algorithmics and Programming Languages???? Did anybody tell you that Computer Science have evolved since the 70s???
At your age, still considering algorithmics and programming a challenge??? What a loser! Isn't it time for you to mentally evolve beyond second year college, at least a bit???? As I said earlier, you're, at best, a mediocre hacker.
By the way, how come PERL is not on your list, fits perfectly in your profile. I'm sure that C/C++/Java should be strictly limited to the procedural, non Object Oriented subset!!! How about SQL, too declarative and abstract for you? etc. etc.

Also, what kind of "challenging" IT/CS problem can a single individual implement in a relatively "short" time and with limited resources??? You're mediocrity is so saddening. I wonder if you've ever got exposed to anything but college level micro-projects?

When you mentally evolve to, at least, Masters Degree level then wait another 5-10 years and if AC is still around and we're still alive - very unlikely, then let's exchange some ideas. In the meantime, I will let you know when we're looking for a junior programmer; however, you should know that we expect more mature skills than only Alhorithmics and Programming Languages. Sorry, I just realized that those positions are offshored!

[Sip]

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All the bull crap you said above aside, Siamanto, are you declining to participate in the clearly defined challange I have set forth to you?

Because it sounds like you are trying to weasel your way out of it. In that case, I expect you to either shut the f*ck up about my skills or bring it on b!tch. There is NO way around it. Shut the f*ck up or bring it on.

[Siamanto]

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Ohh goody!...'ll also contact cable pay-per-view to televise the event.

I find your sarcasm a bit too "polite!!!" I would have spiced it - but I'm sure that you already know that.
Yes, a dream come true to discuss algorithms and Programming on a forum....maybe, when I was in college????
I would have considered exchanging ideas if it was about more evolved, current and challenging domains, aspects or issues of IT/CS.

Siamanto,...There was a post that gave me the impression that you too are in CS.

I (almost) never talk about what I do, unless with colleagues or when friends ask; you probably have in mind a post - in the "Ankap Thread" - where I suggested that you take a look at an Open Source implementation of Fuzzy Search in Lucene???

Personally, I get excited thinking that some day I might meet one of you in a conference somewhere and we can feel more proud that Armos are advancing the high tech fields.

Sorry, no conferences but many many conference calls. =(

[Sip]

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Siamanto, it is always easy to put people down by making grand claims about one's self. The luxury of "privacy" is no defense here. You have made some very nasty claims about me personally here which you are clearly not willing to back up.

"Computer Science having changed since the 70's"? Unless you are willing to provide your proof on how P=NP, I really suggest you stop trying to paint yourself as some sort of "enlightened" and "far advanced" (beyond us mere mortals who live in the real world). As far as your excuse about the "choice" of language, as any mediocre moron would tell you, a context free language is a context free language is a contrext free language. Pick anything you wish ... I think I made it very clear that I am up to ANY format you are willing to agree on. I can't obviously be any more flexible than this

What I will INSIST on however is a clearly defined "game" with very clear rules (so that later on you can't pull your typical "oh this is beneath me so I won't back up anything I say" kind of bull that you are so used to doing with those that might be fooled by your excessive flowery posts -- which is often a big sign of weakness in itself ).

But I don't think we need our resident impartial judge to officialize this "PWNAGE" that has taken place here. You sir, have been OWNED.