Armenians from turkey

[Armenian]

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I have started by learning (acutely) my history; I have learned my alphabet; I am practicing my language (which was never taught to me); I have married a Hye-a-ser woman who will be giving birth to our 100% Armenian baby in June; Finally, I have purchased a nice apartment in Yerevan with medium term plans to move to there while my child is young so that he /she has the opportunity that wasn't afforded to me...that is to be Armenian in all aspects of his being.

Kecces yeghbayr, yes qo archevd khonarvum em: Shnorhavorum em dzez, astvadz pahe dzer entanikin: Dzer nman hayern en mer yerkri huys@:

[HayotzAmrotz]

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I have started by learning (acutely) my history; I have learned my alphabet; I am practicing my language (which was never taught to me); I have married a Hye-a-ser woman who will be giving birth to our 100% Armenian baby in June; Finally, I have purchased a nice apartment in Yerevan with medium term plans to move to there while my child is young so that he /she has the opportunity that wasn't afforded to me...that is to be Armenian in all aspects of his being.

I'd like to join the Armenian and say Bravo to you, crusader. I wish there were more Armenians like you. ...When you come to Armenia you can count me as your friend. All the best to you and your family, brother!

[crusader1492]

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Kecces yeghbayr, yes qo archevd khonarvum em: Shnorhavorum em dzez, astvadz pahe dzer entanikin: Dzer nman hayern en mer yerkri huys@:

Shnoragal em bari khoskeri hamar. Menk bedk onenk repopulate.

[crusader1492]

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I'd like to join the Armenian and say Bravo to you, crusader. I wish there were more Armenians like you. ...When you come to Armenia you can count me as your friend. All the best to you and your family, brother!

I will take you up on that...thanks

[HayotzAmrotz]

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I will take you up on that...thanks

My pleasure. When the time comes just PM me and we'll be in touch.

And if you (or any other Armenians) decide to settle in Artsakh then it's even better, much better. Because Artsakh is the most important place for all of us, and Artsakh requires as many migrants as possible. I will do my best to help any Armenian from Diaspora who wants to permanently migrate to Artsakh.

[dani87]

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ok i will cut my stuff short also. I hope you don't mean that the christian Armenians also are traitors? do you have any idea of how many armenian children below adult age where taken into muslim households? what where a ten year old supposed to do? I am not saying that i would accept a person with Muslim blood as an Armenian because as you i can't do that.

First, begin by asking yourself, how could a third generation "Armenian" exist in Turkey, that will lead you to the truth.

my father was a third generation Armenian living in eastern turkey. My family never converted to islam, we always remained Christian on the lands of our forefathers. by bribing, running, fighting and praying to the gods my family survived the genocide and the oppression that followed until we finally left 20 years ago. many in my family was killed still my forefather refused to leave. Isn't that patriotic. Many times we where on the verge of fleeing to syria, lebanon and Iraq like many other armenians but we stood firm long. we where probably some of the last open Armenians to leave western armenia (exept the armenians still living in Sasson).

[dani87]

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And if you (or any other Armenians) decide to settle in Artsakh then it's even better, much better. Because Artsakh is the most important place for all of us, and Artsakh requires as many migrants as possible. I will do my best to help any Armenian from Diaspora who wants to permanently migrate to Artsakh.

Someday I will settle in Armenia, all Armenians should because in the end our children will get assimilated no matter how Armenian we are now. For every generation there will disappear more and more. It is our duty as Armenians to move back. And as you say Artsakh is important for our nation. Maybe I am dreaming but i hope that a resettlement of the Armenian highland can be reached some day. I swear that if there where lets say some hundred Armenians who would decide to settle in Van (example) I would to and their i would try to produce as many Armenians as humanly possible.

sorry for the double post, moderator could merge posts (if you wanna)

[Virgil]

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ok i will cut my stuff short also. I hope you don't mean that the christian Armenians also are traitors? do you have any idea of how many armenian children below adult age where taken into muslim households? what where a ten year old supposed to do? I am not saying that i would accept a person with Muslim blood as an Armenian because as you i can't do that.

Dani, again, I am going to "cut my self short", I don't like to drag out things, but considering the magnitude of the internet towards the development of a impressionable youth, I must respond to clarify my stance. Do I consider a ten year old guilty of a crime? No, children are children, however, are you telling me that that ten year old was ignorant to the truth? Ofcourse not, she knew, and at the moment of her "awakening" she should have made the right decision, not putting the decision on the 7/8th mosalman Turk and/or Kurd to "redeem" her. Yes, I consider anyone, how ever old they are, to be traitors to not only the Armenian state, this is secondary at that point, rather, traitors to the memory of the martyrs that were brutally murdered, in the process, their property stolen and their lives destroyed.

my father was a third generation Armenian living in eastern turkey. My family never converted to islam, we always remained Christian on the lands of our forefathers. by bribing, running, fighting and praying to the gods my family survived the genocide and the oppression that followed until we finally left 20 years ago. many in my family was killed still my forefather refused to leave. Isn't that patriotic. Many times we where on the verge of fleeing to syria, lebanon and Iraq like many other armenians but we stood firm long. we where probably some of the last open Armenians to leave western armenia (exept the armenians still living in Sasson).

No, I wouldn't think you are traitor, again, I only accuse those of remaining in Turkey that are not doing anything for the Armenian cause, but increasing the legitimacy of the Turkish state. If you lived there under banner of a the "political cause" of repopulating Turkey with Armenians, then, no, I wouldn't say you were a "traitor", however, if you are some joe Christian Turk, in Istanbul, living off the blood of your ancestors, then yes, I would say you are both a traitor and a Christian Turk.

[Virgil]

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...well, I for one will do my best to redeem my ancestors.

Crusader, I have the othmost respect for individuals like you, even greater respect then I have for myself, friends, and family. The economic enslavement we find ourselves in has contributed to our stagnation and demotivation as a people, understand, when Armenia turns around as a state, not only will ever "Jack Nahapetian" want to live Armenia, but all the third world reisidents as well. Furthermore, you truly do reap what you sow, the last point is the most important idea that any individual can take with them, the micro influences the macro, it is not the "educated", "wealthy", and "succesful" man and woman that contributes to the growth and legitmacy of the state, it is the everyman, the 9 to 5 worker, the man and woman that slaves away making sure the functions of the state are provided to everyone within the state. I don't want Armenians to send money, I don't want to pickle their culture, but I certainly do want to have a drive and motivate to migrate back, bare minimum, if the last point is not ingrained and embedded into the hearts and minds of the Diaspora, the Armenian state will continue to be in the state of depression. As I wrote earlier, you reap what you sow, you reap what you sow, I repeat, you reap what you sow.

[HayotzAmrotz]

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Someday I will settle in Armenia, all Armenians should because in the end our children will get assimilated no matter how Armenian we are now. For every generation there will disappear more and more. It is our duty as Armenians to move back. And as you say Artsakh is important for our nation. Maybe I am dreaming but i hope that a resettlement of the Armenian highland can be reached some day. I swear that if there where lets say some hundred Armenians who would decide to settle in Van (example) I would to and their i would try to produce as many Armenians as humanly possible.

There are already hundreds of Diaspora Armenians settled in Artsakh and if you wish you can become one of them. Live in Artsakh until we liberate Van and then you, along with many others, can settle in Western Armenia. Van, my friends, is much closer from Artsakh than from Sweden.

dani, i believe all our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them!