Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!


2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


- PLEASE READ -

Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.


8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Parev/hello from Istanbul

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

    I would like to clarify for sake of understanding.
    As a person and as an Armenian I do not want you to think I reject or don't recognize your friendly overtures.
    The question I ask you are sincere and of intense interest to me.
    95 pluse years is not very long ago.
    Have you ever waited till the --- old town --- went to sleep and then waited till every one was asleep and then quietly walked the streets and wondered about the people that walked those streets not so very long ago?
    When you say ( I understand but let's talk about that latter or let's talk in private but I do have the time to talk with you about ( you fill in the blank ) it turns me completely off.
    I am not unfriendly but if a Turk wants to walk up to me and talk about the time of day like he's an ordinary joe it ain't gonna happen without him telling me that he is HAUNTED by what his family, ancestors , peoples, compatriots have done.
    The desire to be recognized as a human being while diminishing the only topic I have to discuss with a Turk
    Brings me to the zero interest point.
    Artashes

    Comment


    • #32
      Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

      Artashes,

      I am a human being WHO JUST HAPPENS TO BE Turkish.

      There are people in Turkey who think like me on the genocide issue. Of course, I cannot give you a percentage. And, of course, you also cannot come up with a percentage. Yes, we are in the minority but even if 10 percent of Turks think 1915 is a genocide, doesn't that show you that there are so many Turks with whom you can get into dialogue ?
      Also please don't forget that many people here are still afraid to speak out against 'official line of thought/history'.

      I attended the 24 April remembrance ceremony here in Istanbul last month. There were a few thousand people there (I think 3,000 people was a guess of some organisers). Of course, we wish the number was higher. But I hope the numbers will be higher as time passes.

      I am telling you that I wish the government here acknowledged the genocide. What else can I say ?

      I see myself as a human being first; and then as Turkish. I am an internationalist. I know that nationalists don't like me. Not only Turkish nationalists but also nationalists from other countries don't like people like me. The reason is they have been poisoned with the terrible ideology of nationalism.

      Can't you just see someone as a human being first ? You are making comments as if I am guilty about 1915 ! That's not constructive.

      Comment


      • #33
        Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

        Originally posted by gegev View Post
        Paaaaaaaaaaaarev - paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarev!

        I see you are a real anti-fascist, therefore you have a lot to do in Turkey; alas it will take time for you fighting 70m-50m= 20,000,000 seljuk-Turks.

        But I see you are brave man and you started to fight fascism outside of Turkey; first.

        Good luck and don't forget fighting the rest of fascists in Turkey, at the end!!!

        But please be careful at "opposing fascism and nationalism of ANY KIND" inside Turkey. We don't have too many anti-fascist fighters there, take care.
        Hi, Gegev.

        Thanks.

        I should stress that the fight against fascism should be an internationalist effort.

        Comment


        • #34
          Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

          Originally posted by Mos View Post
          Many Turks willingly supported the Genocidal efforts during the early 1900s, which included acts against innocent people that only backwards, nomadic tribes would do. If not participating then supporting vocally. Till this day many see the barbarism as justified - such people have no place in the civilised world.
          By 'many', I don't see what percentage you mean. Neither I nor you can closely guess this.

          Just know that more and more Turks are speaking out against the state/government, in favor of genocide being acknowledged. Of course there is a long way to go and many fascists to fight against.

          But, just know that it is not so easy for me to make dialogue with an Armenian nationalist, just like it is not so easy for me to make dialogue with a Turkish nationalist. But I am trying to make a constructive dialogue with you. And, know that I share your grief about 1915.

          Comment


          • #35
            Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

            Originally posted by Artashes View Post
            Sorry for multiple posts my editor is on vacation and the secretary didn't show up( again ).
            A burning question I have for you : what are your compatriots that you walk amongst in your daily life persepsions about all the people that have ( vanished ). Do they ever question why that place has so many Turks
            and every one else is a minority?
            Artashes
            Many Turkish people have been poisoned with the fascist educational system here, which still has so many lies about history. Also, the local media has mostly been a tool of such fascism. But in recent years, more and more people here are waking up to reality/facts. Internet has been a big positive tool in this aspect too.

            Comment


            • #36
              Re: Parev/hello from Istanbul

              Originally posted by Antifascist View Post
              By 'many', I don't see what percentage you mean. Neither I nor you can closely guess this.

              Just know that more and more Turks are speaking out against the state/government, in favor of genocide being acknowledged. Of course there is a long way to go and many fascists to fight against.

              But, just know that it is not so easy for me to make dialogue with an Armenian nationalist, just like it is not so easy for me to make dialogue with a Turkish nationalist. But I am trying to make a constructive dialogue with you. And, know that I share your grief about 1915.
              Well I hope that trend continues till the state also changes their mind. Of course, I'm rather pessimistic on it, because Turks have always been heavily nationalistic and stubbornly proud of themselves. They still worship Ataturk like a God. Probably more likely to see Ataturku Akbar rather than Allahu Akbar.....
              Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
              ---
              "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

              Comment

              Working...
              X