Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

I read on the internet today, that iran has changed its opinion on the karabakh issue. It is sideing with baku now. have you guys heard this?

read my article on US policy in Afghanistan. They are planning the turkification of Armenia too.

[Siamanto]

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Safavids are kings of Persia not “Azerbaijan”. The only “Azeri” dynasty is that of the Aliyevs, the present ruling clan of the artificially counterfeited fraudulent nonentity of fake “Azerbaijan”.

A nation called “Azeri” has never existed throughout human history. Fortunately I have already compiled enough material to counter the predictable Turk regurgitations and delirious hallucinations, so all I have to do is copy/paste from my own writings!

Hellektor,
Without drilling into the details, are you aware that Oslonor
1- Is not saying that Saffavids were kings of Azerbaijan
2- That Azeris are being fraudulent, trying to steal an identity

You don't even have to read between the lines, it's explicit????

P.S. Of course, I'm not saying that oslonor's thesis makes sense or the facts are accurate.

[Hellektor]

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Do you think Iran considers it counterfeited on Armenian territory? I am pretty sure in Iran its considered counterfeited on Iranian territory. Had Azerbaijan proclaimed and pursued pan-shiism instead of pan-turkism, Iran would be an enemy to Armenia not a trading partner.

No one considers anything Armenian territory other than Armenians the 3 big competing power consider it either Iranian territory, Russian territory, or Ottoman territory (??? H.).

Again, as I said in the previous post, it's wishful thinking that every member could read one's posts. Please read the historians section of my thing about fake “Azerbaijan” and assure yourself, as far as history is concerned, Aghvank has been considered part of Armenia. In any case, I don't see whty Turks can claim Aghvan heritage when they have absolutely no affinity with them and would readily exterminate them were the Aghvans alive today.

Extracts from And the Fraud Had a Name, Islamic Historians section:

Baladhuri (?-c. 892 AD): The Iranian historian Baladhuri (died 279 Hijri) considers Aran (Aghvank) part of Armenia. He clarifies the fact of a considerable Armenian presence in Aran (Aghvank) as follows...

Dinwari (828-894 AD): ...Aghvank is considered part of Armenia according to this historical narration.

Ya’qubi (?-897 AD): In his Tarikh (History), Ya’qubi considers Aran (Aghvank) a province in Armenia and says it was known as the third Armenia...

Ibn Khordadbeh (c. 820-912/913 AD): ...says Armenia consists of four parts. He considers Aran (Aghvank) part of first Armenia (Armenia Maior). He writes: “The First Armenia includes Sisjan (Sisakan, Սիսական) and Aran (Aghvank) and Tiflis (Tbilisi) and Bardha (Partaw, Պարտաւ) and Beylakan (Pytakaran, Փայտակարան) and Qabalah (Kabalak, Կապաղակ) and Shirvan.

Tabari (838-923 AD): Recounting the events of 145 Hijri, Tabari also reports the Khazar invasion into Armenia from Bab ul Abwab (Darband, Chor) and their occupation of lands north of the River Kur. This clearly shows that there was no doubt in Tabari’s mind that Aghvank was a part of Armenia.

Ibn Faqih (late 9th-early 10th centuries AD):According to Ibn Faqih, Armenia consisted of four parts what he calls first, second, third and fourth Armenia. Aran (Aghvank) and Sisjan (Sisakan) were a part of first Armenia (Medz Hyke, Armenia Maior).

Ibn Rosteh (mid 9th-early 10th centuries AD): ...cites Aran (Aghvank), Jorzan (Georgia), Neshwi (Nakhijavan, Նախիջևան), Khlat, Dabil (Dvin, Դւին), Saghdbil, Seraj, Arjish (Arjesh), Bajonis, Sisjan (Sisakan) and Bab ul Abwab (Darband, Chor) as Khoras of Armenia.

Abu Reyhan Biruni (973-1048 AD) mentions Bardha (Partaw) a city in Aran (Aghvank) close to the River Kur, Beylakan (Pytakaran), Khlat, Arjish (Arjesh, Argishtiuni, Արճեշ, Արգիշտիունի), Shirvan and Bab ul Abwab (Darband, Chor). He explains that Bab ul Abwab is also known as Darband of Khazar and Bakooh (Baku) is the source of white naft (oil). Abureyhan considers all these regions part of Armenia until Vartan (Vartanakert)...

Qudamah ibn Jafar mentions the khoras and considers Aran (Aghvank) a khora of Armenia.

Bakri Qurtubi (?-c. 1094 AD) ...considers Aran (Aghvank) a khora in Armenia. He explains: “Khoras of Armenia: Aran (Aghvank), Jorzan (Georgia), Neshwi (Nakhijevan), Khlat, Dabil (Dvin), Seraj, Jordbil, Arjish (Arjesh), Sisjan (Sisakan), the city of Bab ul Abwab (Darband, Chor)...

Toosi says: ...“Bardha (Partaw H.) …is a city on the border of Armenia to the Caucasus Mountain.” Note that this is already in the times after the Seljuk invasions. Not a single sign of “Azeri” or “Azerbaijan” in the region north of the Arax is yet to be discerned.


skhara, I understand your cynicism concerning what I say, you believe Armenia is nothing, cannot defend itself, history is worthless and whatever Russians and Judeo-Saxons say counts and basta. I beg to differ. I believe all the history falsification from the Turds can be easily pulverized by historic facts, what they do not have, yet see their claim to the “khanate of Erivan”, the “glorious” zillion eons nonexistent history of the empire of “Azerbaijan”… What wouldn't they do had they a millionth of the historic facts we have, yet you throw that all in the toilet. I believe history is important.

Oh! Ottoman territory? The Ottomans could never lay their filthy paws on those regions that’s why they counterfeited fake “Azerbaijan” in the first place so that Armenia would not expand to the east, historically part of their homeland. That’s why fake “Azerbaijan” never had defined borders which forced the League of Nations to reject their bid to join in 1920, effectively forbidding fake “Azerbaijan” to become a subject of international law until 1991.

This is important because it voids their claim of territorial integrity, which never existed before this date, therefore according to international law Artsakh was never part of fake “Azerbaijan”. But of course you don’t care and don’t tell me of the double standards in applying international law, everyone knows that by now.

[Hellektor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Entzi toovema es mege meehad toork gyot veran mene.

Shat jisht es gitaktsel, robertik jan.

[Hellektor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Hellektor,
Without drilling into the details, are you aware that Oslonor
1- Is not saying that Saffavids were kings of Azerbaijan
2- That Azeris are being fraudulent, trying to steal an identity

You don't even have to read between the lines, it's explicit????

P.S. Of course, I'm not saying that oslonor's thesis makes sense or the facts are accurate.

Obviously you are falling into the trap of these pan-Turkist impostors. The whole point of this spambot called oslonor that post almost on any Armenian and Iranian blog and forum is that they pretend they are Persians, fed up with pan-Turkist "Azeris" of Iran (no such thing exists), and they want that the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) be severed from Iran and annexed to the fake nonentity that stole the name of this province. This is the same thing as the Bernard (Jewey) Lewis project and is sure to drown Armenia in a Turk quagmire.

I think I have to copy paste this for each and every member, since it's wishful thinking that people will have read one's posts. Once more, what the heck!

Oslonor(s) pretend(s) to care about Armenians and he-she-it /they spread(s) his-her-its/their meaningless, confusing mishmash on all Armenian forums and some. While he-she-it/they succeed in fooling some for a short while, their bluff is easily debunked by the average readers.

No Iranian will allow a single square nanometer of Iran to be separated from it. Just think of the three tiny islands in the Persian Gulf, claimed by the Emirates. No Iranian is demanding a single square nanometer of Afghanistan. This is a blatant pan-Turkist lie.

To recapitulate:

• I. Oslonor(s) “believe(s)”/want(s) to make believe that the Turkish speaking Iranians living in the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) are one and the same as the bogus “nation” north of the Arax.
  
  Wrong, a thousand times wrong yet this is what pan-Turkists claim.
  
  
• II. Oslonor(s) “believe(s)”/want(s) to make believe a nation called “Azeri” exists.
  
  Wrong, a thousand times wrong, yet this is what pan-Turkists claim.
  This fake “nation” was artificially created by Ottomans and Bolsheviks to destroy Armenia.
  
  
• III. Oslonor(s) “believe(s)”/want(s) to make believe the fictitious “nation” speaks a language called “Azeri”.
  
  Wrong, a thousand times wrong, yet this is what pan-Turkists claim.
  They speak a dialect of Turkish. So do the Turkish speaking Iranians as a result of centuries long Turkish domination of the area. Azari was referred by Islamic historians to the language spoken in the real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) and it was a dialect of Pahlavi Persian.
  
  
• IV. Oslonor(s) “believe(s)”/want(s) to make believe that Iran should be dissected according to that devil Bernard Lewis’ project.
  
  This has been a pan-Turkists delirium for centuries.
  No self-respecting Iranian will want a square nanometer of Iran to be separated from it. The only ones who want this are pan-Turkists like Oslonor(s) and their Anglo/Zionist supporters.
  
  
• V. Oslonor(s) is/are not even Iranian; he-she-it/they say(s) this on his-her-its/their blog.

...in 14 century a branch of Oghuz Turks entered Iran and built the Saffavid dynasty in Iran. ...The Oghuz Turks who entered Iran are called Azeri Turks

This is a pan-Turkist fallacy that contains several fallacies in itself. Still not clear?

[oslonor]

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I think Hellhektor will continue his line until the whole Armenia has been turkified by the so called "Iranians" in form of exported Azeri students, azeri workers, azeri truck drivers etc all pure "Iranians". Recently Azeris from The Republic of Azerbaijan have become "Iranians" too.!!!!!



Fraud on Mr. Samvel signature: "Cyrus the great was "Iranian"".

Sorry he was Persian, Pars or Parsua. That is what they were called. And it is not a greek invention.

praise of iran and iranians,praise of kurosh and daruoosh , praise of the persian gulf , praise of persepolis

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Hellektor,
Without drilling into the details, are you aware that Oslonor
1- Is not saying that Saffavids were kings of Azerbaijan
2- That Azeris are being fraudulent, trying to steal an identity

You don't even have to read between the lines, it's explicit????

P.S. Of course, I'm not saying that oslonor's thesis makes sense or the facts are accurate.

The Armenian people are facing a great danger equal to 1915 today. You should move fast and make new alliances before it is too late.

[oslonor]

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PJAK: 92 Iranian soldiers, officers and counter guerillas have been killed in retaliatory military operations that transformed East Kurdistan-Iran into a war zone.

Between 25 of May and 2 of June, PJAK-People’s Defense Forces of Kurdistan (HRK) have killed 92 Iranian soldiers, officers and counter guerillas in retaliatory military operations that transformed East Kurdistan-Iran into a war zone.

The retaliation was in self defense and the answer to the barbaric attacks of the Iranian army and security forces against the Kurdish and Iranian people, the continuous bombings of Kandil region, the savage killing of 7 of our Guerrillas and the murder under torture of our martyr Mr. Esmer Demir.

PJAK is for democratic values, freedom and peace. It is against any suicide or terrorist attacks and killing of civilians, it adheres to the United Nations Human rights declaration and international laws. It is a freedom fighters movement for the Kurdish and Iranian people. It is a political massive national democratic movement of the Kurds in Iran.

On the 23 of May, 7 of the PJAK guerrillas were martyred when their car destroyed by the Iranian military forces in the village of Lesgardiens. Our guerrillas fighter martyr Esmer Demir (Xane) was captured alive by the Iranian military and died under torture, they have tied him to a military tank and dragged him through the village streets. Our martyr Mr. Esmer Demir was therefore murdered by torture in violation of all international and humanitarian laws.

Retaliatory military operations of PJAK:

On the first of June, 2008:

1. The PJAK (Guerrillas) Partisan fighters attacked Ashura military base of the Revolutionary Guards located between the cities of Saghez and Mariwan.15 Pasdar members were killed and 2 cars in the quarter destroyed.

2. One of our guerillas partisan units in the city of Mariwan killed an Iranian Basij high ranking member, his name is Asad He and two other Basij members were involved in torturing and terrorizing Mr. Ayub Fakhri a member of PJAK and the people of Mariwan city.

On 31 of May: our forces attacked an Iranian army military base close to Shno city. 13 Iranian soldiers were killed and many wounded.

On 27 of May:

1. Our guerilla forces attacked a military base near Kamiyaran city. Also a convoy of 5 military vehicles were on their way to deliver loads of logistic supplies to the base was attacked. Many soldiers were killed and wounded.

2. our guerilla forces attacked Iranian army units in Alwatan area near Sardasht city, the result was 5 contra-guerilla and 7 Pasdar members killed.

3. Our Forces attacked and destroyed a military vehicle in Kirmanshah city, 4 Pasdar members were killed.

4. Our Guerilla forces attacked and destroyed a military vehicle at the village of Zale near Mariwan city, all of the 13 soldiers in the vehicle were killed,

On 26 of May: our Guerilla attacked a military convoy of vehicles in Salmas city area near Goza Rash village, one high level military officer and 20 Pasdar members were killed and more than 20 soldiers wounded. Also 4 Pasdar members were killed in different clashes in the same area.

On 25 of May:

1. Our guerilla attacked an air forces base in Tehran city, the Capital of Iran. During the attack 2 cars were destroyed, 3 air force soldiers killed and many wounded.

2. Our guerilla forces ambushed an Iranian army unit in Kotul area near Khoy city, 6 soldier were killed in this ambush.

The Kurdistan Free Life Party (PJAK) calls upon the United Nations, the United States of America, Iraq, the European Union and the European states to realize that the path to security and democracy in the Middle East leads through a change of the Iranian theocratic regime. Therefore a positive approach to the Kurdish question and the demands and views of Iran's peoples and the peoples of the Middle East is necessary. Oligarchic, theocratic and reactionary states cannot be force of stability and cannot meet the demands of the peoples. At the same time these states undermine global security by setting up and funding fundamentalist groups.

It is time to put stop to the atrocities and human rights violations of the Iranian Islamic oppressive regime.

We call upon the international community to help the Kurds and the peoples of Iran (no Iranian here)in their struggle for democracy, freedom and peace.

http://kurdmedia.com/article.aspx?id=14825

[oslonor]

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You see Kurds call them "Iranians". They know what they are talking about.

[robertik1]

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kurds, turds theyre all the same.