Kurdistan

[Hye_Psycho]

Re: Kurdistan

Kurds are squatters in Occupied Armenia, but they have more claim to the area then the turks, as they are native to the Near East and an Iranic people.

they speak an iranic language. that does not make them iranic people. nor does it make them native to the near east. such strong links between inguistics and race should not be made, especially regarding such a volatile, mixed and undocumented people such as the kurds.

[Armanen]

Re: Kurdistan

they speak an iranic language. that does not make them iranic people. nor does it make them native to the near east. such strong links between inguistics and race should not be made, especially regarding such a volatile, mixed and undocumented people such as the kurds.

From what I have studied about the kurds they were an Iranic people, and I think many still are. Don't ask me to give you exact numbers, I don't have it. Kurdish blood for sure has none Iranic elements in it or even groups that were assimilated. Persians also have the same problem, with the adoption of islam many intermixed with other muslims, mainly arabs.

Yet, you can't seriously deny that if one has to compare turkish claims to lands in the Near East with kurdish, that the latter has 'more' of a basis.

[ArmSurvival]

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You make a deal though, signed by Turkish, Syrian, Iranian, Kurdish leaders, as well as the US, and various European countries, that if a free Kurdistan is established in N. Iraq that the Turkey, Syria, and Iran will recognize it as long as Kurdistan gives up all claims to those countries lands, which they will b/c they know it's to good of an opportunity to pass by

Those countries will never agree to create an independent Kurdistan which is directly adjacent to all of their Kurdish-inhabited regions. Especially Turkey-- I would even say that if northern Iraq becomes independent Kurdistan, Ankara will find a pretext to launch a full-scale invasion to crush their state. Likely pretexts would be "PKK" and protecting the Turkmen communities. What would Turkey gain from this? Destruction of independent Kurdistan, further suppression of Kurds in Turkey, and the possibility of northern Iraqi oil resources.

[ara87]

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Those countries will never agree to create an independent Kurdistan which is directly adjacent to all of their Kurdish-inhabited regions. Especially Turkey-- I would even say that if northern Iraq becomes independent Kurdistan, Ankara will find a pretext to launch a full-scale invasion to crush their state. Likely pretexts would be "PKK" and protecting the Turkmen communities. What would Turkey gain from this? Destruction of independent Kurdistan, further suppression of Kurds in Turkey, and the possibility of northern Iraqi oil resources.

Whatever, idk... than the kurds should just leave Iran,Turkey,Syria, etc and move to iraq anyways, and make like rabbits, and then eventually iraq would be theirs

[jgk3]

Re: Kurdistan

yep, the time is ripe, no Saddam to gas them.

[ara87]

Re: Kurdistan

yep, the time is ripe, no Saddam to gas them.

i heard that the name "Saddam" means "to comfort," or "one who comforts." If that's true, it really disproves that idea that names can make a personality or persons character

[jgk3]

Re: Kurdistan

well, at the least, it's a popular tactic of short story writers to give their important characters very ironic names considering their personalities or the events they undergo. This enhances the drama or the symbolism they are trying to convey.

But good to know about the Saddam factoid.

[seruven]

Re: Kurdistan

I have certain doubts about an independent Kurdistan (of Northern Iraq). Surrounded by hostile states, deprived of an exit to the sea, ruled by authoritarian leaders such as Talabani and Barzani, it may not serve to the bliss of the Kurdish people in Iraq and they will just be a puppet regime of the US. Instead their main aim should be developing their country, improving their industry, production skills, infrastructure, etc. Why to secede from a country if there is no oppresion towards your people?
In Turkey, generally Kurds do not desire an independent country but they desire recognizance by the state, better living standards, more freedom, etc.
Had Turkey reached standards of the EU countries in terms of prosperity and democracy, Kurdish problem would have nearly be solved here.

[ara87]

Re: Kurdistan

I have certain doubts about an independent Kurdistan (of Northern Iraq). Surrounded by hostile states, deprived of an exit to the sea, ruled by authoritarian leaders such as Talabani and Barzani, it may not serve to the bliss of the Kurdish people in Iraq and they will just be a puppet regime of the US. Instead their main aim should be developing their country, improving their industry, production skills, infrastructure, etc. Why to secede from a country if there is no oppresion towards your people?
In Turkey, generally Kurds do not desire an independent country but they desire recognizance by the state, better living standards, more freedom, etc.
Had Turkey reached standards of the EU countries in terms of prosperity and democracy, Kurdish problem would have nearly be solved here.

I still say give them Norther Iraq, but they have to give up claims on Turkey, Iran, & Syria. All peoples should have their own country. Instead of access to the sea, they can have oil cities like Kirkurk, and also focus on banking and investing like Bahrain and Dubai (UAE). And even if Kurds in Turkey don't really want an independent state that doesn't mean they wouldn't mind having one. As for being a U.S. puppet state, it has it's has some perks, at least they'd always have U.S. support.

[seruven]

Re: Kurdistan

All peoples should have their own country

I disagree with that statement. There are many small nations and this idea will cause lots of new countries to be founded. Even if each nation had its own country, since nations are spreaded to vast areas, many problems would be born. If southeast area of Turkey gets independence and a Kurdish state is founded there, what will happen to the Kurds living in İstanbul? (Do you know that more Kurds live in Istanbul than any other city in the world?)
In Europe people fought for their independence and now they are unifying voluntarily. As long as some essential needs are satisfied, it is wise for nations to unify instead of getting segregated.