To Vote or Not to Vote

[Armenian]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

Most people who voted for Obama did not do so because they understand his position on the "issues". The issues are irrelevant as there really isn't a difference between the two party system. It's the illusion of change and voting is the mechanism by which the masses are able to pretend to partake in this system. The allegiances of these politicians, including this Obama character, are to other organizations, overt and covert. You cannot rise that high in politics without being bought or sold long ago. The naivety and myopia which pervades the masses in this mass movement voting gyration is astounding. The newsreel images of these Obama supporters crying and yelling is eerily fascinating at how zombie-like mass-minded herd thinking is. The only other time where I can remember someone was able to create such a cult of personality and create such blind zeal and fervor in a crowd amounting to idolatry was Mr. Hitler. There is an almost messianic feel to Obama that his minions are eating up.

I fully agree, eerily fascinating it is.... In a nut shell, Barak Obama won because of the deep hatred Americans developed for Bush (and all those associated with him) and the deep fear the current financial crisis put in their hearts... Nonetheless, Barak Obama was allowed to participate in the political system here precisely because he was adopted/chosen by the establishement four years ago when they made him speak at the Democrat Convention...

So, don't expect any drastic changes.

I'm sorry but this post demonstrates exactly your naivety. If you think anyone can become president without the support of AIPAC, and other interests such as the Council on Foreign Relations, or the Trilateral Commission which one of Obama's key backers was a supporters of - Zbigniew Brzezinski - then you have alot of reading to do. And in case you don't know, he is considered the Democrats' version of Henry Kissinger. Zbigniew Brzezinski is a Russophobe, and that doesn't bode well for Armenia.

Good point, Anon. This alone should make Armenians think twice about him. Actually, this was one of the major reasons why I turned cold towards him, the other being his newly found love for Israel and his hardening stance on Iran... If I had to pick between Armenian Genocide recognition and a Russian-friendly stance for an American politician to have, I would pick the Russian-friendly stance for obvious geopolitical reasons that directly impact the Armenian Republic. But we are again forgetting that presidents do not make policy. So, regardless of who Barak Obama is a course has already been set for the United States by forces way above him.

[Anonymouse]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

Although I did not vote for anyone (I don't believe in democracy, especially the one practiced here in the US), I still prefer Obama over McCain. However, I agree with Anon. Now that Barak is the president, his administration will do everything in its power not to utter the term - Armenian Genocide. Being pro-Armenian 'before' you are in the driver's seat is one thing... When real geopolitical/economic issues come into question, it's a whole different world... Do you really think Washington is about to ruin its strategic relations with a major ally in the region over a tiny little speck on the map? Incidentally, the ANC supported Bush in 2000 because he had promised the same thing... If Barak, or any other official, wants to stay alive they have to go with the program setup for them when they enter the Oval Office, be it the one set up by Zionist or the one set up by this nation's financial/political elite... I still don't understand how/why Americans still think they actually have a say in real politics... You are still young and idealistic, but it's not a matter of despair or hope, as you put it, it's a matter of realpolitik.

Not to mention, Obama's backbone is Zbigniew Brzezinski who is as Russophobe as they come. They will take a very hard stance against Russia, which is basically against Armenian interests.

[Anonymouse]

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I am not naive; I know exactly what I'm saying. Both Obama and Biden have had long track records of being pro-Armenian before they started their campaign. I mean, they don't even live in highly Armenian-populated states! Obama has shown to be committed to recognizing atrocities, past and current, and calling the governments out on it.

And I don't think Obama is as connected to Zionists as you think he is, and most certainly less than McCain is. Obama has made the Genocide recognition promise over and over again to ANCA and other Armenian organizations. Do you think they're going to sit idly by and let a bunch of joos run the show? Of course not. ANCA gave Obama the Armenian vote which was decisive in many states (So Goes the Armenian vote, so goes the nation?). We should not underestimate ANCA's power in lobbying and getting things done.

You can lean on the side of despair. I, however, will lean on the side of hope.

I'm sorry but this post demonstrates exactly your naivety. If you think anyone can become president without the support of AIPAC, and other interests such as the Council on Foreign Relations, or the Trilateral Commission which one of Obama's key backers was a supporters of - Zbigniew Brzezinski - then you have alot of reading to do. And in case you don't know, he is considered the Democrats' version of Henry Kissinger. Zbigniew Brzezinski is a Russophobe, and that doesn't bode well for Armenia.

[Armenian]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

I am not naive; I know exactly what I'm saying. Both Obama and Biden have had long track records of being pro-Armenian before they started their campaign. I mean, they don't even live in highly Armenian-populated states! Obama has shown to be committed to recognizing atrocities, past and current, and calling the governments out on it. You can lean on the side of despair. I, however, will lean on the side of hope.

Although I did not vote for anyone (I don't believe in democracy, especially the one practiced here in the US), I still prefer Obama over McCain. However, I agree with Anon. Now that Barak is the president, his administration will do everything in its power not to utter the term - Armenian Genocide. Being pro-Armenian 'before' you are in the driver's seat is one thing... When real geopolitical/economic issues come into question, it's a whole different world... Do you really think Washington is about to ruin its strategic relations with a major ally in the region over a tiny little speck on the map? Incidentally, the ANC supported Bush in 2000 because he had promised the same thing... If Barak or any other official wants to stay alive they have to go with the program setup for them when they enter the Oval Office, be it the one set up by Zionist or the one set up by this nation's financial/political elite... I still don't understand how/why Americans still think they actually have a say in real politics... You are still young and idealistic, but it's not a matter of despair or hope, as you put it, it's a matter of realpolitik.

[Anonymouse]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

I have to say that I am pretty shocked at just how many people are absolutely clueless about the electoral college system. I've been saying to people for ages that their presidential votes don't really count, if they want a direct influence they should focus on their local elections. People still don't understand. I love it how the states have already decided for one of the candidates and people are still going to the voting polls.

What's the percentage of people who voted this election? I think everyone and their grandmother did. Most still don't understand what happened with Al Gore and Bush election. How can you go vote and not understand how it works? Especially if you have lived in this country for more than 30 years? Today I had to explain to my "older" coworkers the electoral college system and how it works, and this is after they voted. They were shocked to find out that the popular vote doesn't necessarily determine presidency.

Everyone here should survey people they know and find out how many actually understand the US voting system. It's really shocking.

Also I love how people talk about Obama, with such conviction as if they have watched his management style and understand the issues. Common praises and faith in his success as a presidents are:

1. He is a Democrat.
2. He is not like Bush.
3. He cares about the middle class.
4. That goddamn crap about Energy independence.
5. He will raise minimum wage (why don't people try to at least understand the lack of reasoning behind that action?)
6. He will increase taxes for the rich (this just really makes me mad, as if the rich only represent the evil class which only abuses the poor and has money just raining down on them).
7. He guarantees good relations with Israel (like that's ever been an issue).
8. Health care for all.
9. Pulling troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
10. He promises all of the above.

In his closing speech I heard him emphasize "I promise." I just really can't stand when politicians "promise" these grandiose plans which are most likely impossible to fulfill and are simply be a failure. I was just wondering why doesn't he just promise us Pink Unicorns and get it over with, at least there will be some consistency.

I guess I just really really hate when people say uneducated, retarded and trivial things without ever analyzing their validity. I hate it when people encourage everyone to vote and use that dump cliche "Don't forget to vote, every vote counts!" It's very infuriating.

Once again, I am so disappointed that this nation, which represents freedom and liberty, has reached a point where people are having to chose the "lesser evil of the two." (whatever that means).

Do you think that Obama will pull out the troops?

Most people who voted for Obama did not do so because they understand his position on the "issues". The issues are irrelevant as there really isn't a difference between the two party system. It's the illusion of change and voting is the mechanism by which the masses are able to pretend to partake in this system.

The allegiances of these politicians, including this Obama character, are to other organizations, overt and covert. You cannot rise that high in politics without being bought or sold long ago.

The naivety and myopia which pervades the masses in this mass movement voting gyration is astounding. The newsreel images of these Obama supporters crying and yelling is eerily fascinating at how zombie-like mass-minded herd thinking is. The only other time where I can remember someone was able to create such a cult of personality and create such blind zeal and fervor in a crowd amounting to idolatry was Mr. Hitler. There is an almost messianic feel to Obama that his minions are eating up.

[Anonymouse]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

Americans are so simple-minded and easy to sway like emotional loose cannons, waiting on that one great promise to be led to the golden land of easy chairs. The word CHANGE, despite the objective dictionary meaning, is the pet phrase that's repeated over and over. Like good little automatons they parade behind their man chanting "change," and apply God-like greatness to their new Lord and Master. Lead me Dear Great One. Throw me some bread, put on a circus or two, and I shall be your true-blue worshiper.

Quoted for truth.

[Inthemood]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

You can do anything, but you can't do that...

[One-Way]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

I just looking at that link before you posted it and yes, it is the dark side.

[Inthemood]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

I agree, it isn't just about voting for a president.

However, I do (for once) agree with Inthemood's post

Heavens forbid...that's like moving to the darkest side.

[Inthemood]

Re: To Vote or Not to Vote

I'm not the only one:

The New York Times
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A9629C8B63