Free Will

[patlajan]

Look at him go. He's in the ocean in the sky now. Swim forever little buddy...

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by patlajan

Look at him go. He's in the ocean in the sky now. Swim forever little buddy...

"Me thinks you're trying too hard to exercise youre free will in order to be funny".

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Anonymouse For the sake of argument, God is outside of the realm of time and space, of good and evil ( a Hindu slant ). I don't see how you're point is valid, for knowing the future is one thing, yet he cannot exercise any decision over it. It is done by us. We have choices which we make, in the greater context of the system, which me and CkBejuh agreed upon. You don't have to like it, but this is my belief and I have faith in this. Because God knows the future, doesn't mean we know, therefore we make choices, yet the supernatural creator does know. There is no "incoherence" but what you want to make.

It makes no difference who makes the decisions, Arman. If all of time is already set, you are mearly an automaton going through the motions, doing that which is preordained. In God's eyes you have already eaten whatever it is you will eat for dinner tonight. You cannot exercise any form of will that will allow you to eat anything else.

Again, I am providing arguments and examples. You are simply saying "no, you are wrong" with no backup whatsoever. The mathematical rambling you went into later has nothing to do with what we're talking about. But hey, it's cute.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by loseyourname It makes no difference who makes the decisions, Arman. If all of time is already set, you are mearly an automaton going through the motions, doing that which is preordained. In God's eyes you have already eaten whatever it is you will eat for dinner tonight. You cannot exercise any form of will that will allow you to eat anything else.

Again, I am providing arguments and examples. You are simply saying "no, you are wrong" with no backup whatsoever. The mathematical rambling you went into later has nothing to do with what we're talking about. But hey, it's cute.

It makes no difference who makes the decisions? To you it might not, to me it does, but on a more serious note, you are right and everyone else is wrong and how do you know my name?

[loseyourname]

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Originally posted by Anonymouse That my faith is not your knowledge, is again an assumption of what you choose to believe.

There is only one truth, my friend - that is what qualifies it as truth. I can tell you exactly where my knowledge comes from, and it is peer verified and accepted. All you can do is say "trust me, I know." Those are the words of a man who has little in terms of substance. Then again, spirit by definition is substanceless, so perhaps I should not be so critical of you. I'm just not as easily convinced as you are. Beware of Billy Mays.

[Anonymouse]

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Originally posted by loseyourname There is only one truth, my friend - that is what qualifies it as truth. I can tell you exactly where my knowledge comes from, and it is peer verified and accepted. All you can do is say "trust me, I know." Those are the words of a man who has little in terms of substance. Then again, spirit by definition is substanceless, so perhaps I should not be so critical of you. I'm just not as easily convinced as you are. Beware of Billy Mays.

Well, I bet you can, no one disputes knowledge, since there is only one knowledge through reason. But reason, or the knowledge, that you speak of, doesn't answer beyond a certain point. Hence to quote Albert Pike, "Faith begins where reason ends". You are bent on trying to prove me wrong based on the standards you deem is verifiable here on the material world. I don't dispute you with that, you fail to understand this. I am talking about something, beyond mere reason. Of course trying to prove one wrong with the other is like trying to say a banana really tastes like a watermelon.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Anonymouse For the sake of argument, God is outside of the realm of time and space, of good and evil ( a Hindu slant ). I don't see how you're point is valid, for knowing the future is one thing, yet he cannot exercise any decision over it. It is done by us. We have choices which we make, in the greater context of the system, which me and CkBejuh agreed upon. You don't have to like it, but this is my belief and I have faith in this. Because God knows the future, doesn't mean we know, therefore we make choices, yet the supernatural creator does know. There is no "incoherence" but what you want to make.

Actually this goes into our everyday lives as well. We, ourselves can even known the future if we know which action we are going to take. Thus, if I park my car on the no parking zone over night it might be towed away. Now I have hope that it won't be noticed ( I have indeed parked it and it hasn't been noticed ). But if it is noticed I know the future, meaning that it will be towed away, and in this regard my article on math and numbers was indicative of something, that we make choices within the basic parameters of the system that is made.

[loseyourname]

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Originally posted by Anonymouse Well, I bet you can, no one disputes knowledge, since there is only one knowledge through reason. But reason, or the knowledge, that you speak of, doesn't answer beyond a certain point. Hence to quote Albert Pike, "Faith begins where reason ends". You are bent on trying to prove me wrong based on the standards you deem is verifiable here on the material world. I don't dispute you with that, you fail to understand this. I am talking about something, beyond mere reason. Of course trying to prove one wrong with the other is like trying to say a banana really tastes like a watermelon.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm trying to prod you into saying what it is you know and how you know it. You still won't do it.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Actually this goes into our everyday lives as well. We, ourselves can even known the future if we know which action we are going to take. Thus, if I park my car on the no parking zone over night it might be towed away. Now I have hope that it won't be noticed ( I have indeed parked it and it hasn't been noticed ). But if it is noticed I know the future, meaning that it will be towed away, and in this regard my article on math and numbers was indicative of something, that we make choices within the basic parameters of the system that is made.

You can never foresee all of the circumstances that go into making something come about. If so, you'd be rich beyond belief as the world's first accurate meteorologist. Presumably god knows a little more than you do. There is no comparison.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by patlajan I'm excersising my free willy. Which is what this thread should be named.

You know, in all the time that you've been here, I've yet to see anything intelligent that you've contributed to any discussion aside from one-liners.