Turkey and minorities

[Armanen]

Re: Turkey and minorities

Too many tools on this forum. Go join a turkish forum, you can tickle one another there.

[Army]

Re: Turkey and minorities

In Turkish forum only ultra-nationalists discuss Armenian problems and they're all in Turkish, no fun there. Dont know Georgian counterpart.. whatever if you were talking to me, its fine here.

[hipeter924]

Re: Turkey and minorities

In Turkish forum only ultra-nationalists discuss Armenian problems and they're all in Turkish, no fun there. Dont know Georgian counterpart.. whatever if you were talking to me, its fine here.

Turkish Ultra Nationalists I assume also shout death to America and ramble on about a Turkish Empire, and Turkish racial superiority. I am sure they have links with Al Qaeda, and the American government calls Armenian's terrorists?

[Army]

Re: Turkey and minorities

Turkish Ultra Nationalists I assume also shout death to America

yes

and ramble on about a Turkish Empire,

yes

and Turkish racial superiority.

yes. those guys are called "Atsizlar", after their ideological leader.

I am sure they have links with Al Qaeda

No, they hate Al Qaeda too. Ultra nationalists in Turkey are not religious. Most of them arent even Muslims as I could see.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Turkey and minorities

yes



yes



yes. those guys are called "Atsizlar", after their ideological leader.



No, they hate Al Qaeda too. Ultra nationalists in Turkey are not religious. Most of them arent even Muslims as I could see.

This is correct actually,the ultra nationalists who support Turan feel that Islam robbed them of their strength and it's a religion that's backward because it was formed by racially inferior Arabs according to Pan Turkism, they believe in the Sun Theory and nonsense like Asina the wolf

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Turkey and minorities

There is not one good book, website, or even a forum where all the ethnic crimes the current Turkish government has committed is documented. From the 90% tax rates, forced name changes, and uncountable arrests and mysterious disappearances, their black hand has successfully cleansed the world of their crimes. Only in obscure Turkish and Armenian references do you find even a rare mention of them, but nowhere a compilation.

Such a compilation would help unite the Turkish and Armenian people, and help cut the strings that the black hand pulls. But most diasporans are too obsessed with their diasporan lives, and at best, the genocide, to help the Turkish people overthrow their military control over their government.

Armenians alone can't stand against Turkey. Armenians can't depend on any other country/organization (LON, UN, ect). What we need to do is help the Turks become aware of their own history, be able to come out with their ethnic heritages (many are at least 1/4 Armenian/Greek by now), and enable the return of Armenians to our historic lands...even if it is, as Monte Melkonian envisioned, under a Turkish flag.

[Army]

Re: Turkey and minorities

From the 90% tax rates

%90?

be able to come out with their ethnic heritages (many are at least 1/4 Armenian/Greek by now), and enable the return of Armenians to our historic lands...even if it is, as Monte Melkonian envisioned, under a Turkish flag.

Many of them aware that nearly no one in Anatolia is from %100 Turkic race. Probably the mountain nomads, called "Yoruk" are. I read an article about them and they are too few these days. So, thats also why Turks see themselves as a 'nation'.

However, while carrying different ethnic bloods, none of those supress the others. Just an example, here is one of my "Turkish" friend's ethnic root as he says:

GrandGPa (Ahiskan Turk) - GrandGMa (Ahiskan Turk) GrandGPa (%50 Armenian %50 Turk) - GrandGMa (%25 Armenian %75 Azeri) GrandGPa (Albanian) - GrandGMa (Albanian) GrandGPa (%50 Kurd %50 Turk) - GrandGMa (%50 Arab %50 Turk)

GrandPa (Ahiskan Turk)-GrandMa (%37,5 Armenian %25 Turk % 37,5 Azeri) GrandPa (Albanian)-GrandMa (%25 Kurd %25 Arab %50 Turk)

Father (%50 Ahiskan Turk %18,75 Armenian %12,5 Turk %18,75 Azeri) - Mother (%50 Albanian %12,5 Kurd %12,5 Arab %25 Turk)

My Friend (%25 Ahiskan Turk %25 Albanian %12,5 Turk %9,375 Armenian %9,375 Azeri %6,25 Arab %6,25 Kurd)


This is what Turkish nation is. You can also put Bosniaks, Cherkezs, Abhazs, Greeks, Lazs, Georgians... in to that soup. They already know their ethnic heritage; however they have LOTS of. Not only Armenian or Greek. Thats why it would not work for most of the population. They call this equation as "Turkish nation", so.. they are not like Armenians or Georgians. Theres no one pure (?) race here. And my friend is proud of his roots.

[bell-the-cat]

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%90?

I guess he is referring to the 1940s taxes on minorities - which often was actualy a lot more more than 90% - if your income is $10000 and you are given a tax bill of $30000, with imprisonment until it is paid, then the rate isn't 90%.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Turkey and minorities

In Turkish forum only ultra-nationalists discuss Armenian problems and they're all in Turkish, no fun there. Dont know Georgian counterpart.. whatever if you were talking to me, its fine here.

And that shows the depth things are at.

I suppose it is forgivable that this place is rather pathetic a lot of of the time. The Armenian diaspora is, in terms of population group sizes, small. And in Armenia not many people have internet access or use the internet regularly. So there is not a big enough user base for a large number of forums. There are only about 4 or 5 that are active enough to be called proper forums.

But there are 90 million people in Turkey, where even small towns have lots of internet cafes, as well as a big diaspora (and a mostly well-educated and multilingual one in Germany). So why are there no decent Turkey-related forums? Because of the sheer number of possible users, a rate of one decent forum to 20 rabid nationalistic ones should be possible.

[Gavur]

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under a Turkish flag.

I don't know who you are but you lost me there buddy,never again under a Turkish flag, you can't ask us that not after what we've been through.