Racism

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by loseyourname They operate by a free market system with selected markets run by the state.

That is socialism. Socialism is the intermediate state between Capitalism and Communism. What Shahumyan is advocating is Communistic. Most of Europe, including France, is Socialist. Canada is as well.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by PASAMONSTER hey lets leave politics out of racism OK?

I hate to say it, but you have a point. Racism is a product of individual thinking. It existed when all of humanity still roamed around in tribes, and has nothing to do with politics.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Arvestaked Most of Europe is Socialist.

No they aren't. They operate by a free market system with selected markets run by the state. Shahumyan is advocating every market be run by the state. So far as I know, even China doesn't go that far.

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by loseyourname Name a socialist state that's succeeded. Otherwise, put your money where your xxxxing mouth is and move to China.

Do you have a job, by the way? A place to live perhaps? Do you buy consumer goods?

Most of Europe is Socialist.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by Shahumyan ahuh,

a failure of what?
Stalinism, not socialism

so what?

Name a socialist state that's succeeded. Otherwise, put your money where your xxxxing mouth is and move to China.

Do you have a job, by the way? A place to live perhaps? Do you buy consumer goods?

ahuh,

a failure of what?
Stalinism, not socialism

so what?

[patlajan]

Originally posted by Shahumyan racism is a tool of the certain sections of politics, they are intertwined, and cant be seperated.

As for the state economy, i dont see how this has failed, what are your parametres for failure? Do you think capitalism is a success?

for me the parametres are employment, standard of living, security and so on

Waiting online for 2 hours for toilet paper with a ration in your hand and then when you get there they are all out of toilet paper is a FAILURE. Waiting on a line around the block for bread is a FAILURE.

and by the way, i agree with you, capitalism was a success, before the 20th century, after that its progressive elements were finished, and now it is no longer progressive, but reactionary for human advancement

anonymouse, i used to find it a challenge replying to your posts, however its become so easy now.

first off, democracy isnt an ideology, so theres your first mistake in putting it next to communism and socialism (which use total democracy) and fascism

Where you write democracy, i presume you mean capitalism (which are completely different, and since when was capitalism democratic anyway?).

The government MUST interefere in the market, as if it didnt, the market would be overthrown by the victims of the failures of capitalism, ie the workers. That is why we have welfare systems etc, not because the people were nice, but because if they werent put up, the state would be smashed, and even if the workers were not organised then it would still result in riots and general unrest (for US example see Cincinati riots).

If the government didnt interfere, the government would be overthrown, it would have no other choice, other than to smash up its workers (Like in Iran). Remember, the capitalists need the workers so they would prefer not to kill them all, just beat them into submission (whether through propaganda or literally depends on situation).

[PASAMONSTER]

I don't like any kind of government, i dont like authority in general.


I think we should have a nice parliament shooting every once in a while clears up bad blood.