notes and comments

[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

More than an extended education like a Masters degree or a Doctorate degree, the brain functioning, the good logic and the character of the human kind is far more important.

Some of us may not have your extended education but we happen to have character and logic, thank goodness. As for my humble self, I happen to have a little more than a primary school education; such as an Associate degree, logic, a heart and character.

More importantly, I don't put down our super hero Fedayis who secured our anscestral lands for the security and the peace of mind of our people. That is called good logic and good character. With your mega degrees I just wish you had them.

tell me, why is it that everyone (except cops) in the Homeland wants to get out, and no Armenian from Turkey wants to move to Armenia?

[Anoush]

Re: elegy

i am familiar with that line and it is ARF propaganda.
Read Toynbee, please.

Is it really? Are you that much against ARF that you are claiming this or believing that lie?

[KanadaHye]

Re: elegy

tell me, why is it that everyone (except cops) in the Homeland wants to get out, and no Armenian from Turkey wants to move to Armenia?

Its all about money and opportunity. How many government supported opportunities are there in Armenia for Armenian youth around the world to work, school or live in Armenia with a promise for a secure future? Granted, no future is secure nowadays, but at least the more "wealthy" countries provide false hope

[Anoush]

Re: elegy

tell me, why is it that everyone (except cops) in the Homeland wants to get out, and no Armenian from Turkey wants to move to Armenia?

Also ask yourself that. Armenia is a landlocked country and far poorer than turkey. And why is it that here in the US wherever and whenever I turn around there are turks getting out of their country and coming here in the US and also getting out to Germany? Plus I never said that Armenia's political "tsants" is innocent bunch of people. I never claimed that they are not a rich, selfish and self centered bunch. Unfortunately most of them are and they are guilty of not producing jobs to the local people or letting the people thrive. But our Fedayis who worked hard and gave their lives to secure a land in Artsakh, those are the people who are far better than you and me. They went and fought there for that small piece of land that Stalin gave it away to the "azeris". They are neither politicians nor rich. They are and were our sacred Fedayis. They have to be respected and loved for what they have achieved for the people.

[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

Is it really? Are you that much against ARF that you are claiming this or believing that lie?

i am against all nationalist historians;
if you are involved in politics, you cannot be an objective historian.
the two (politics and historiography) are mutually exclusive.

[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

Also ask yourself that. Armenia is a landlocked country and far poorer than turkey. And why is it that here in the US wherever and whenever I turn around there are turks getting out of their country and coming here in the US and also getting out to Germany? Plus I never said that Armenia's political "tsants" is innocent bunch of people. I never claimed that they are not a rich, selfish and self centered bunch. Unfortunately most of them are and they are guilty of not producing jobs to the local people or letting the people thrive. But our Fedayis who worked hard and gave their lives to secure a land in Artsakh, those are the people who are far better than you and me. They went and fought there for that small piece of land that Stalin gave it away to the "azeris". They are neither politicians nor rich. They are and were our sacred Fedayis. They have to be respected and loved for what they have achieved for the people.

no war is without victims;
and i am on the side of all victims regardless of race, color, and creed.
the azeris victimized us first?
i wonder why, after centuries of coexistnce.
do you really know what happened?
are all your sources armenian?

[Anoush]

Re: elegy

i am against all nationalist historians;
if you are involved in politics, you cannot be an objective historian.
the two (politics and historiography) are mutually exclusive.

Whatever... but I don't accept that what transpired is an ARF propaganda. Personally I am not involved in politics, I only read the web some and read, but I happen to know the extensive ARF history and what they stand for. True they mistakenly got involved with the new turkish regime after the Hamidian massacres but for a short while because they hoped for the best and they didn't know their enemy, unfortunately; but when they saw what happened in Adana, then they pulled themselves away. They have with the help of the people created the first republic of Armenia and since then they stand behind the country and the people. They wish Armenia to thrive and that's what they stand for, a united and a thriving Armenia.

[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

Whatever... but I don't accept that what transpired is an ARF propaganda. Personally I am not involved in politics, I only read the web some and read, but I happen to know the extensive ARF history and what they stand for. True they mistakenly got involved with the new turkish regime after the Hamidian massacres but for a short while because they hoped for the best and they didn't know their enemy, unfortunately; but when they saw what happened in Adana, then they pulled themselves away. They have with the help of the people created the first republic of Armenia and since then they stand behind the country and the people. They wish Armenia to thrive and that's what they stand for, a united and a thriving Armenia.

i question the ARF's ability to be objective about its own performance and role in history.
i repeat: it can't be done.
armenians, all armenians, are as objective about their own history, as turks are about their own.
the same applies to americans and anyone else you care to mention.

[arabaliozian]

Re: elegy

time for me to go.
see you tomorrow...
in the meantime, please read other sources beside our own.
as for tribal loyalty and nationalist pride: nothing can beat honesty.

[Anoush]

Re: elegy

no war is without victims;
and i am on the side of all victims regardless of race, color, and creed.
the azeris victimized us first?
i wonder why, after centuries of coexistnce.
do you really know what happened?
are all your sources armenian?

Yes for over a century Armenians living in tatar land have been victimized first.

You say your sources are from all over. You do know of course that the "azeri" propaganda is a continuation of warfare against Artsakh and Armenians. So go figure and the thruthfulness of their source or sources.