Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

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Re: Two Libyan fighter pilots defect, fly to Malta

I'm immune to propaganda.

Very far from it and your a Marxist mouthpiece!

It's really only a question of dislodging Gadhafi's forces from Tripoli at this point. Gaddafi has crossed the rubicon and I don't see him getting out of this alive. The Italians are governed by a pimp with a taste for 17-year-old Moroccan girls and that other clown Berlusconi is in all sort of trouble.

As for the Chinese! Why do you think nearly 15,000 of their oil worker are fleaing Libya? The Chinese are all over Africa.

[KanadaHye]

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As for the Chinese! Why do you think nearly 15,000 of their oil worker are fleaing Libya? The Chinese are all over Africa.

They know better than to stand under an American target.

[Armanen]

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Berlusconi goes by the maxim: 'if there's fluff on the muff, she's old enough.'

[retro]

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The U.N. Security Council are being worthless and indecisive, as usual.

Apparently the Indians still have 18,000 Indians stuck in Libya. So they may cowardly vote against placing economic sanctions on Libya's leadership. On the other hand an abstention vote from China is likely, as they have seemingly got most of their people out.

Several envoys said it was doubtful the Chinese would veto the resolution. They said an abstention or a "yes" vote from China would be the most likely scenario.

"They're meeting in Beijing right now to discuss the situation and how to vote," a Western diplomat told Reuters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...71P26Z20110226

[Odar]

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Berlusconi goes by the maxim: 'if there's fluff on the muff, she's old enough.'

Now I understand why he was all the time promoting "family values"... the more children are born, the more girls he gets!

[KanadaHye]

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Berlusconi goes by the maxim: 'if there's fluff on the muff, she's old enough.'

Now I understand why he was all the time promoting "family values"... the more children are born, the more girls he gets!

In Berlusconi's defense, he's 74 turning 14.

[KanadaHye]

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Very far from it and your a Marxist mouthpiece!

Marxism has been dead since all of its creators joined the Capitalists. The question remains why you would want to see the blood of innocent Libyans spilled just so more of the profits can go towards the Oil industry.

[Federate]

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The question remains why you would want to see the blood of innocent Libyans spilled just so more of the profits can go towards the Oil industry.

It's always been about the oil. It's another attempt by the "leaders of democrazy" at privatisation of Libya's oil industry. NATO is propping up reasons to launch an Iraq-style "military intervention" soon by supporting the rebels after years of arming Ghazafi. He has been a dictator for 41 years, where was the condemnation? Where were the calls to step down? He did business with everybody for decades and in 2003, the sanctions that never do anything were repealed because he threw out his WMD programme which is independent from being a dictator.

Why the West has completely abandoned Ghazafi all of a sudden is because he has been an independent dictator as opposed to say Mubarak and Ben Ali who were both US puppet dictators. Mubarak and Ben Ali were never called to step down, on the contrary the silence of the West was an approval of them staying in power. Where are the condemnation of Bahrain who rolled tanks into the main square where people were sleeping just a week ago? Sanction threats anybody? Yemen's president has been in power for just as long as Ghazafi but contrary to him, Yemen is a breeding ground of the so-called enemy "Islamic extremism". Where are the sanctions? The calls to step down? Yemen incidentally is a dirt poor country and Bahrain might as well just be called the world's biggest US airbase.

[Federate]

Re: Two Libyan fighter pilots defect, fly to Malta

Apparently, Libyan sovereignty and territorial integrity doesn't exist anymore. WTF?
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UK Military Planes Rescue 150 From Libyan Desert

Planes Safely Land In Malta

LONDON -- British military planes entered Libyan air space to rescue oil workers and others from desert locations Saturday in a daring and secret mission meant to save those unable to flee escalating violence.

The C-130 Hercules planes, carrying Britons and other nationals, safely landed in Malta after picking up the civilians south of the eastern Libyan port of Benghazi, Defense Secretary Liam Fox said.

The rescue mission was bold because few planes have been able to fly through Libyan air space. It was not immediately clear if it was a British special forces mission, but the government has not ruled out using the SAS to evacuate Libyan oil fields and rescue trapped Britons.

The mission apparently took place with great secrecy. Rescued oil worker, Peter Dingle, told the BBC that workers were told to stay quiet.

"We knew this morning that the military was coming to pick us up, but we weren't allowed to phone home - there were no lines anyway - because when you inform the families it gets out in the media, and the British military need to keep this as quiet as possible," Dingle said.

Fox said the frigate HMS Cumberland was returning to Benghazi from Malta to evacuate any remaining "entitled persons" from there.

The mission is likely to give a boost to a government reeling from complaints in recent days about the ineptitude of its earlier efforts to evacuate citizens trapped in the chaos. Prime Minister David Cameron was forced to apologize as Britons who escaped offered televised accounts of their desperate efforts to flee amid the breakdown of law and order.

But others trying to get their employees out expressed dismay that the rescue had not been better coordinated - so that oil workers near pick up points could have gotten there in time.

"It would have been helpful to know," Gavin De Salis, the chairman of British-based OPS International, an oil field services company.

De Salis has had to put about 450 workers on buses to pull them out of the country amid shortages of food and water.

"They have an uncomfortable six-day journey," he said.

Fox made the announcement as the U.N. Security Council met in an urgent session to consider sanctions to punish Libya's regime for violent attacks against anti-government protesters.

One of those who was rescued said the military plane he boarded in Libya was initially supposed to carry around 65 people, but quickly grew to more than double that.

"It was very cramped but we were just glad to be out of there and getting on the flight," Patrick Eyles, a 43-year-old Briton who arrived on one of the C-130s, said at Malta International Airport.

Britain has been among the countries pushing for tougher sanctions, including an arms embargo and travel ban on Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, who is under pressure by the international community to halt the crackdown on his people.

Other Britons returning to London from Libya after being evacuated spoke of the chaos enveloping the North African country.

"Gangs of young Libyans had knives and machetes," said 51-year-old Paul Ellis, who works on the Great Man-Made River Project in Libya. "What they wanted was any valuables - money, laptops and mobiles. We just gave them those and the keys to cars and they just left us alone to some extent."

Mediterranean ports, meanwhile, overflowed with thousands of evacuees from Libya, and thousands more foreigners were still scrambling to flee the North African nation by sea, air or land as the security situation around the capital Tripoli deteriorated.

More than 2,800 Chinese workers landed in Heraklion on the Greek island of Crete aboard a Greek ship. Further to the west, another 2,200 Chinese arrived in Valletta, the capital of Malta, after a long journey from the eastern Libyan port of Benghazi. Hours earlier, in the dark of night, a U.S-chartered ferry dropped off over 300 passengers in Valletta who spent three days waiting to leave Libya's chaotic capital.

The sheer numbers of foreigners leaving Libya as Gadhafi's regime attacks anti-government protesters has been staggering. As of Saturday, at least 16,000 Chinese, 15,000 Turks and 1,400 Italians had been evacuated, most working in the construction and oil industries.

In addition, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told the Security Council that some 22,000 people have fled across the Libyan border to Tunisia and another 15,000 crossed the border into Egypt.

Col. Malek Mihoub, a Tunisian security forces official, said that "despite the good intentions of those present," aid groups like the Red Crescent, local authorities and the Tunisian army have become overwhelmed by the flow of people fleeing Libya.

Meanwhile, France's Foreign Ministry said Saturday that the French embassy in Tripoli has been closed temporarily due to the unrest. It said a French Air Force flight took 122 people - including the entire embassy staff among the 28 French nationals on board - to France on Saturday.

In an accord with Russia, France said it is temporarily conferring its interests in Libya to the Russian Embassy in Tripoli, the ministry statement said.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/27007299/detail.html

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Germany evacuates 132 from Libya in secret mission

BERLIN – Germany's foreign minister says the country's air force has evacuated 132 people from Libyan desert during a secret military mission.

Guido Westerwelle said Sunday that two German military planes landed Saturday at a runway in the Libyan desert that belongs to a private German company Wintershall. He said 22 Germans were among those evacuated and the planes landed safely on the Greek island of Crete later Saturday night.

It was not exactly clear where the runway was located or who controlled the area around it.

Westerwelle said around 100 German citizens are still in Libya and the government is trying to get them out as quickly as possible.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110227/ap_on_re_eu/libya_evacuations

[Federate]

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Italy just suspended its friendship treaty with Libya. Among the major clauses in the treaty are a pact to the committment of non-aggression.