Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

[Federate]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

Anybody in the oil business wants Gaddafi gone. The family has enough real estate around the world, they don't need to stay in Libya that's for sure. I really don't understand why they don't want to step down and take a break from all the ruling and live happily ever after with billions. I guess it must be a power thing. Either way, I don't see anyone doing a better job than the Gaddafi clan... anyone else would have exploited that country 10 times over by now.

Because for Ghazafi it's about more than just money. He loves his country but he also has a big ego and strong pride due to his military background and he is not about to go down in history books as the man who fled his own country. After all, who would want that? It was the same with Mubarak which is why he did not want to step down for 18 straight days. He continuously reminded everyone of his glorious military career (and give credit where it's due, he is a war hero for Egypt) but enough was enough.

And that article by Illuminator had some interesting facts about the HDI index. We'd be in blatant denial if we were to forget some of the advancements/good Ghazafi made for the country, including this often forgotten "Great Manmade River" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Manmade_River

Also, check out this video some Jew made that's become viral lol.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

As crazy and wicked as Ghaddafi is, he's done some good for Libya and has said a lot of things I agree with. He just doesn't know how to market himself in front of the world. Everyone perceives him as some crazy tribal leader with way too much power, which he is to a large extent.

One of the truest things he said was during a UN speech a couple years ago. He was talking about the UN Charter, and how it states that all countries, big or small, are equal. He then said it was hypocritical when only a handful of countries have permanent seats and when only a few have veto power. He said all countries were clearly not equal, and that if the UN isn't going to follow its own charter then they should get rid of it. He then proceeded to rip a copy of the charter in front of the delegates of all the member states! Who else would be so blunt and brazen to do something like that? He really sets himself up to be singled out.

He also publicly backed the IRA and said they were freedom fighters who were trying to unite Ireland, at a time when the entire world was condemning them as terrorists. That type of honesty and boldness is not well-suited in international politics.


Anyways, it seems he is content with tightening his grip on Tripoli and a few other scattered strongholds for the time being. I think at the moment he is planning to do either one of two things: Gathering all his forces for a massive offensive (possibly straight at Benghazi), or waiting around for weeks/months until the protesters wear themselves out and start fighting amongst themselves. After all, the opposition doesn't have any semblance of leadership, they seem like a pretty splintered group up to this point. However, I think that can change rather quickly, especially since the west has an interest in toppling him and will no doubt start grooming leaders amongst the rebels.

The opposition needs to take Tripoli to topple his regime. Ghaddafi knows this and he's going to sit there and hope the rebels attack him where he is strongest. I know much of the oil fields are in the hands of rebels, but I'm not sure it will positively effect the rebels in the short term, especially since a large percentage of workers in the oil industry are foreigners who are on their way out.

[Davo88]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

I don't think I'm the only one that has noticed the plethora of spelling variations this man's name has: Gaddafi, Qadhafi, Ghadafi, Ghazzafi, Gadafi...

[Armanen]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

I don't think I'm the only one that has noticed the plethora of spelling variations this man's name has: Gaddafi, Gadhafi, Ghadafi, Ghazzafi, Gadafi...

I noticed as well I think it has to do with the fact that Standard Arabic has not proper transliteration into the Latin alphabet.

[Illuminator]

Re: Two Libyan fighter pilots defect, fly to Malta

Guest Column: Libyan war must be acknowledged

By Megan Ananian, Fourth-year accounting student
[email protected]

Massacres, genocide can be stopped by awareness, should not be ignored

From the 1890s to the 1920s, Turkey massacred a large percentage of the Armenian population for spreading ideas about civil rights. This spurred the first international human rights movement and the American Red Cross to embark on its first mission to aid Armenian survivors of massacres in 1896.

Although the public’s disapproval of these atrocities increased, the punishments for these crimes grew weaker. In 1921, the Turkish trials were abandoned while war crime prisoners were traded and freed. The U.S. needed Turkey as an ally because it was the core to oil policy in the Middle East. Baroness Caroline Cox of British Parliament responded in 1999, “If nations are allowed to commit genocide with impunity ... there is a real danger that other brutal regimes will be encouraged to attempt genocides. Unless we speak today of the Armenian genocide ... we shall leave this century of unprecedented genocides with this blot on our consciences.” The Armenian Genocide is looked at as an archetype for the genocides that ensued. Even Hitler remarked with indifference, stating, “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?”

As you read this, hundreds of Libyans are dying while attempting to overthrow their dictator in the hope for democracy that has been spreading across the Middle East. The oppressive government has disconnected the people’s Internet and thrown out the media in attempts to permanently silence the movement for change. Through courageous acts of protestors, social media has exposed the atrocities in Libya. A Twitter activist @ChangeInLibya in Tripoli published, “LIBYANS ARE BEING MASSACRED RIGHT NOW.. LISTEN TO THE NEWS.. HELP US PLS HELP US.. TRIPOLI HAS 1000S OF DEATHS FOR GODS SAKE WORLD WAKE UP.” President Barack Obama finally acknowledged the violence Wednesday night, while major news outlets allowed Justin Bieber’s haircut to overshadow the selfish complaints of increasing oil prices as a result of the protests.

The question is quite simple: At what point are the diplomatic compromises no longer acceptable to the basic principles of man? How much genocide, in the name of religion, nationalism or race, is required before the people of this planet are willing to stand up for another man’s basic right to live? What would the world be like if nations acted from the heart instead of cloaking black and white with the “grays” of diplomacy?

Friends, Gamexxxx family and fellow human beings, we cannot let the Libyan voices be silenced and forgotten like the Armenians’. History does not have to repeat itself. We can’t save every life, but we can spread awareness. Martin Luther King Jr. said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.” Look beyond the triviality of your problems, and help our generation change the world for the better.

http://www.dailygamexxxx.com/viewpoints/item/747-guest-column-libyan-war-must-be-acknowledged

xxxx = c ock

Oh no, an Armenian buying that bilge and trashing the AG in the process. She should know better than to lump lies in with the truth.

[Davo88]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

I noticed as well I think it has to do with the fact that Standard Arabic has not proper transliteration into the Latin alphabet.

True! Arabs themselves have different ways of pronouncing it, I think.

[Federate]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

I don't think I'm the only one that has noticed the plethora of spelling variations this man's name has: Gaddafi, Qadhafi, Ghadafi, Ghazzafi, Gadafi...

I personally prefer Ghazafi, that's how my dad says his name

[Illuminator]

Re: Two Libyan fighter pilots defect, fly to Malta

In case no one noticed, this is an armed insurrection, Libya was invaded from Egypt and many of the people posing for the cameras are Egyptians. These people are not "rebels" they are invaders. Notice they go for the military installations and oil fields? That benefits who? Washington or the people?

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

I guess Ghazzafi's invasion of the east is already underway. I have a feeling the rebels are going to get smashed: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12618367

[Armanen]

Re: Muammar Gaddafi and Libyan crisis

I guess Ghazzafi's invasion of the east is already underway. I have a feeling the rebels are going to get smashed: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12618367

If so, then the US may decide to attack should it calculate that a post Gaddafi government would be better. I hope they do not, it will backfire, and the US really does not need to be in another (muslim) country.