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  • #21
    First of all just how serious is the "rape victim" statistics? I mean come on. I explained clearly that abortion and the State do not mix. Democracies cannot and should not solve this question. "They are not fully human". Such elastic definitions are only paramount to how we can play in moral relativism. When the egg and sperm meet, DNA is set, so the elasticity argument is really swimming in shallow waters.

    The ethics behind abortion are nothing in the realm of politics, having to do with what constitutes membership in the human race and with what rights accompany that status in our society. The "democratic process" only confuses the issue further and divides people into armed camps. Both sides concede to the State and to the mass of voters the authority to determine who’s human and who isn’t. xxxx that. Not only can one very easily imagine the State and the masses making objectively wrong decisions, but also given the fickle and arbitrary nature of bureaucrats, the masses, and the Supreme Court tyrants, a decision that’s "right" today can be "wrong" tomorrow.

    A person has the right to make whatever choices they want. The State should never have interfered or gotten itself involved in anything relating to abortion. But like everything else, it must involve itself. Putting forth these kinds of fundamental questions to the democratic process amounts to denying the existence of truth itself, or at least subordinating truth to power. This happens to be the inverse of what the liberal state was originally supposed to do, to uphold certain pre existing conventional and metaphysical rights. You're basically allowing "Democracy" to do your thinking for you on what is human and what isn't.
    Achkerov kute.

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    • #22
      Not all people know the difference, or are capable of distinguishing between what is human and what is not.

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      • #23
        ouh ouh so lets give that responsibility/job to the Bush Administration.

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        • #24
          A survey showed some very important evidence. Some of this evidence might relate with you but here is what was found during the conducted study. Study findings should alert parents that there is a “small window of opportunity” to influence teens as they move into a romantic relationship.

          White and black teens are more apt to use contraception consistently (66% each) than Hispanic teens (54%). That finding concerns Tamara Kreinin of the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States. “This tells us we have to focus extra effort on the Latino population, on both young men and women.”

          She says the report is important because “it tells us much more about teen sexual behavior.” The study, called “Patterns of Contraceptive Use Within Teenagers' First Sexual Relationships,” is published in Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, a periodical from the Alan Guttmacher Institute.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by spiral Not all people know the difference, or are capable of distinguishing between what is human and what is not.

            Now that we are talking about the war and its catalysts behind it I suddenly came up with an idea here: I know this sounds a bit odd, but instead of putting Saddam on trial, how about we put him in charge of rebuilding Iraq?

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            • #26
              Just to make some things clear.

              If someone murders intentionally or unintentionally a pregnant woman. Doesn't matter how many months pregnant, just as long as the coroner determines that she is pregnant. The murderer (defendant) will be facing 2 counts of premeditated murder or manslaughter.

              In the case where they did't succeed they will be charged with 2 counts of attempted murder.

              what ever the case it's 2 (two) counts, so you go figure if abortion is murder or not.

              I don't really care, there are so many variants to this thats its not even funny. Rape, accident, too young for child, and so on and so on. Each of theese accounts can be looked at differently.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by jahannam oh God.
                here we go again
                the 111th "abortion" thread or something.
                anyway
                I'll say this again...
                no matter how many times you say "abortion is murder", it's a solution to a lot of problems, and it's gonna go on.
                make it legal.
                make it illegal.
                neither doctors nor expecting women care.
                if they're gonna do it, they're gonna do it.
                you can't stop science.
                you can't slow down technology.
                The world is always going to have criminals. It doesn't prevent us from enacting laws.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by PASAMONSTER If someone murders intentionally or unintentionally a pregnant woman. Doesn't matter how many months pregnant, just as long as the coroner determines that she is pregnant. The murderer (defendant) will be facing 2 counts of premeditated murder or manslaughter.
                  This is exactly my point about the law being jumbled and incoherent. The least we could ask for as informed, conscientious citizens is the law be applied consistently in all cases.

                  This goes for you too, Mousy. Whether or not you like, these laws have been here and always will be here. You have no choice but to compromise and play with your neighbors, or leave. As long as these laws are here, we may as well be aware of them and at least keep them in line to the best of our abilities.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by spiral Not all people know the difference, or are capable of distinguishing between what is human and what is not.
                    Really? Then those people are idiots and should be mutilated.
                    Achkerov kute.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by loseyourname This is exactly my point about the law being jumbled and incoherent. The least we could ask for as informed, conscientious citizens is the law be applied consistently in all cases.

                      This goes for you too, Mousy. Whether or not you like, these laws have been here and always will be here. You have no choice but to compromise and play with your neighbors, or leave. As long as these laws are here, we may as well be aware of them and at least keep them in line to the best of our abilities.
                      I don't see what this has anything to do with my position on abortion.
                      Achkerov kute.

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