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Genetic Intelligence - Fact or Myth?

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  • #31
    loseyourname, the two articles you posted does not support your claim regarding intelligence being a matter of genetic only... to the contrary.

    The second article for instance, a small correlation could be found between intelligence and genetic, but the rest of those with high IQ did not possessed those genes markers in question. So if we were to apply your own standards to come up with your conclusion, we could take those children with high IQ without those genes and find an inverse correlation by claiming that those intelligence genes are in fact a dumb genes.(finding among those with low IQ some having those "intelligence" genes) Those two articles only shows that genetic has a role, but in our society environment plays a much wider role.

    The same goes with diseases, genetic and environment have a role.

    As for woman vs male intelligence. Intelligence is subjective, we may have different results depending what we try to measure.
    Last edited by Fadix; 03-13-2004, 09:26 PM.

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    • #32
      Uh oh, a forum hater. Welcome on the first post. Now now Fadix, let's not get hateful here. You're just jealous this place rocks.
      Achkerov kute.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Anonymouse Uh oh, a forum hater. Welcome on the first post. Now now Fadix, let's not get hateful here. You're just jealous this place rocks.
        Forum hater? Do I have the right to have my opinions without being a hater? If it is not so, should you be called a "black" hater then?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Fadix Forum hater? Do I have the right to have my opinions without being a hater? If it is not so, should you be called a "black" hater then?
          How am I a black hater? It's amazing how you and anileve both have made that spurious leap of faith in smearing someone a "racist" or "fascist" or "black hater" for merely contending against egalitarian fiction. You will have to do better than that to vindicate yourself Mr. Fadix.

          And I was only making a joke, lighten up.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Anonymouse How am I a black hater? It's amazing how you and anileve both have made that spurious leap of faith in smearing someone a "racist" or "fascist" or "black hater" for merely contending against egalitarian fiction. You will have to do better than that to vindicate yourself Mr. Fadix.

            And I was only making a joke, lighten up.
            Anon, where have I called you a black hater?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Fadix Anon, where have I called you a black hater?
              Nevermind, let's get this thraed back on topic.
              Achkerov kute.

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              • #37
                Now, now children, lets simmer down. The only hater around here is me. Hater of hatred.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Fadix The second article for instance, a small correlation could be found between intelligence and genetic, but the rest of those with high IQ did not possessed those genes markers in question.
                  Correlation is correlation, and nowhere was the word "small" to be found in the article. Don't mischaracterize the claim being made. I didn't say it was proof. It is evidence. The studies have barely begun to be conducted. You should read the book "Genome" by Matt Ridley.

                  So if we were to apply your own standards to come up with your conclusion, we could take those children with high IQ without those genes and find an inverse correlation by claiming that those intelligence genes are in fact a dumb genes.(finding among those with low IQ some having those "intelligence" genes)
                  Yes, intelligent children are more likely to have a certain gene, so we can call it a "dumb" gene. Brilliant observation.

                  Those two articles only shows that genetic has a role, but in our society environment plays a much wider role.
                  That claim is completely unfounded. I backed mine up with evidence. You backed yours up with nothing.

                  The same goes with diseases, genetic and environment have a role.
                  Of course. Some genes are expressed, some are not, and it depends on the environment, both during fetal development and, to a lesser extent, later in life. Doesn't change the fact that someone without the gene for a certain genetic disease will not contract the disease.

                  As for woman vs male intelligence. Intelligence is subjective, we may have different results depending what we try to measure.
                  If you can measure it, it isn't subjective.

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                  • #39
                    You cant measure it...

                    I would enjoy reading your views on intelligence (human intelligence).

                    Can intelligence be measured or determined?

                    A person’s IQ (intelligence quotient) is the ratio of tested mental age to chronological age; a measure of a person's intelligence as indicated by an intelligence test. Can an IQ test conclude which human is smarter when compared with another individual? If intelligence has some sort of measurement, it winds-up indicating that intellect can equal zero. Is it possible for a person to have “zero” intelligence?

                    In my opinion, I think that an IQ test just illustrates how well a person can do certain subjects such as math or how well the brain processes certain tasks such as pattern recognition. But why does that mean that people who can comprehend certain material on the IQ test better than others indicate they are smarter?

                    Is a brilliant philosopher smarter than an astounding mathematician?

                    Is Amadeus Mozart, with an IQ of 185, more intelligent than you? Is Isaac Newton?

                    Is a Harvard graduate brighter than a high school dropout?

                    Intelligence is the faculty of thought and reason. However, thought and reason are limitless and immeasurable.

                    Intelligence is determined by your capacity to acquire and apply knowledge. Each person has a life span. Throughout their life they acquire unique knowledge that differs from every individual. A college graduate might have more knowledge in school subjects (i.e., math) compared to a dropout. However, if the two of them have existed the same amount of time, each have extremely different experiences acquired throughout their life. “Life experience” for each person is interpreted and applied to their knowledge. So how can one person’s knowledge be deemed more valuable or superior to another’s?

                    What is your opinion? I'm too unintelligent to figure it out. . .
                    VerTigO

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                    • #40
                      If you can measure it, it isn't subjective.


                      Intelligence isn't subjective, it's irrelevant how?

                      If you take things seriously, then intelligence becomes irrelevant. It doesn't matter how intelligent you are (however you measure it), it matters what you do with the abilities you have. Now, it may not pay to take it seriously but it's been my experience that many share this view. Why? I guess it makes them feel better, but it's a hollow feeling...
                      I am your GOD
                      VerTigO

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