Evolution and Religion

[Anonymouse]

Obviously, I answered the question. Stop dragging it, use your evolved mind to understand that I answered both questions.

[loseyourname]

Way to again ignore the question. What would you accept as evidence against creation and/or intelligent intervention?

[Anonymouse]

Now that you cleared out the questions...since the human mind is imperfect, and since we will never know the whole truth, only partial truths, we will never know if we were created or evolved ( even if evolved shouldn't something have preceded evolution? ) thus the questions you ask are mostly aimed at people who wish to change their viewpoints. Thus, to resort to name calling, as is often the case ( and you were no exception earlier ), is the hallmark of arrogance. I am not trying to smear you but only highlighting that all too often, we believe in our convictions so deeply, that we will ultimatley resort to name calling, both creationists and evolutionists have engaged in this behavior.

If it can be shown how one species leads to another on a macro level, then I'd be inclined to change my views and adhere to the evolutionist school of thought. However, since humanity cannot ever know that, and hence can never know if the fossil from the Cambrian Age ultimately led to organisms of today, then the only thing left is, given whatever belief system you appeal to, to remain with that, but at the same time, hold an open mind. For example, I find the the evidence of within species variation among organisms simply marvelous and conclusive, however, regarding that on a macro level, I find the evidence all but silent ( this is where evolutionists start making guesses, which there is nothing wrong with, but let's not call it "fact" when it is really a belief, no different than a belief in creation ).

[loseyourname]

Way to ignore the question. What evidence would you accept as falsification of the creation hypothesis? What evidence would you accept as falsification of the intelligent intervention hypothesis?

[Anonymouse]

Now, now, now, Mr. Loser, let's not lose our cool. It's okay if you believe in evolution. I'm not here to question your belief, I was only saying that the same evidence can apply to creation, why not? It's all a matter of how you approach it. If you approach the givens with the idea that we evolved, of course it's going to fit into the context of having been evolved, and I never denied this.

In fact, I did state that by looking at the fossil record we see progression. That, to me, however, does not constitute as proof of us having "evolved".

[loseyourname]

Did anybody ever say that evolution isn't falsifiable? You're the one twisting and turning a creationist theory every which way to fit the given evidence that prima facie supports evolution. What negative evidence would you accept?

[Anonymouse]

You see, unlike evolutionists, I don't know, but I have a guess. My guess is that, there is intelligent design, perhaps in the initial creation of life here. Even if one assumes evolution, the beginning couldn't have just "evolved". But during that process only intelligence has been able to guide living organisms to another higher level, whether that be God or Aliens, I do not know. Perhaps the earth is one big lab for Aliens, for all we know, testing various living organisms in various times.

Karl Popper said that the fundamental attribute of scientific theories is that they are falsifiable. Is evolution somehow beyond this criteria and so holy as to evade falsification?

[loseyourname]

So are you postulating that aliens created us from scratch? Or from a pre-existing quadrapedal primate?

[Anonymouse]

Who said Aliens had to be perfect? And what's conspiratorial about this? Even evolutionists conspire about their theory. Conspiracy is a common thing, don't act like it's only in banana republics or Amish towns.

[loseyourname]

No, an intelligent designer (unless he was completely incompetent) would have designed a backbone that was best suited for an upright, bipedal posture. If we evolved from quadrapedal creatures, then we would expect to have a backbone that is well-suited for a quadrapedal posture, and in fact we do. By itself, that doesn't constitute proof of anything, but if you won't even accept that as evidence, you are being an absolute hypocrite, when you consider the kinds of things you'll count as evidence for your own pet conspiracy theories.