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  • #21
    This is a sick, sad world we're living in. Everything in America is about sex and money. Unfortunately, this trend has leaked into other countries as well, such as Armenia. I think that Armenians took modernization into a whole new direction. Instead of learning the possibilities of better technology, better job opportunity, better education, and a better understanding of the world over, they have taken a liking to our strip clubs, and our hore houses and "massage parlors"....etc etc.. These "businesses" are money making machines. Yes...I know it's hard for you all to understand, but Armenians are driven by the old $. When you suggest something new to an Armenian, the automatic response is, "How much does it cost, and how much can I make off it"...I know you think that all other cultures are like this, but I don't agree. The root of the Armenian culture is not about money. It's about honor and pride. When my family moved to Armenia in 1976 from Iran, they saw things that blew them away. Back in Iran, Armenians were valued as a nation of believers. We were seen as the small army that had the stature and patriotism of a great nation. What they realized was that Armenians were money hungry, immoral, and unjust. My dad knew the entire police force in Armenia, as I'm sure all of your dads did..lol...When he would get pulled over, regardless of how fast he was driving, he just slipped the cop some cash (not even much) and he'd be on his merry little way. Everything is crooked in that country. I wish Armenians could go back to the way they were.

    As for the unethical treatment of women, well this has been happening for AGES. My grandfather had 5 wives. Yes 5!!!!! He was a jerk of a husband, but he was SOOO respected in the Armenian community in Iran. Even when he moved to Armenia in the late 70's, he was idolized and treated like royalty. The last woman that he married was a Hayastansi red-headed firecracker who didn't take his crap. Needless to say, my grandfather died of a stroke not long after he was married. LOL Armenian women have been put through HELL AND BACK! That's why you see our 40-50 year old mothers look so old and sickkly. That's why they can't even think about the idea of being alone or about individuality. They are the lower class. That's why I have to agree with Eve. I am GLAD I live in America. I will not stand to be placed in the same light as these poor souls.

    If any of you think that what I'm saying is just feminist crap, then just wait and see.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Baron Dants
      Well, I think we have now reached the point where everything's exaggerated. Armenia is not what you make it out to be, and America and the "Western world" which we sooooo strive Armenia to be in is not what you made it out to be either. You brought one example, I'll bring another. A girl I volunteered with in Armenia is 21 years old, is graduating this year from the faculty of theology, and is not even thinking about marriage. Or will we just single her out as an exception because she doesn't fit in with your exception? A lot of it has to do with families. You always bring up stories about "backward" Armenians in your end of the world, and I found no similarities between them, and the Armenians in my end of the world.

      The hores of the rich people which you pointed out, anileve, are not part of what people in Armenia believe "real" values are. They're values of the "nouveau riche", which was of course brought on by the great Americans' pressures to switch to capitalism ASAP. Yes, I am well aware that the Americans only did so to encourage Armenians to be truly FREE, as that is what Americans always do... The difference between the hores of the rich in Armenia and the hores of the rich in America is very obvious. It is not that, in America, they are ethically more developped and the rich refuse to do such things. I'm sorry to reveal this, but Americans also have their flaws. It has more to do with Armenia being such a small country, that everyone in Yerevan knows everyone else, and keeping secrets is just much harder.

      Other than that, there are many social problems in Armenia, which there is no use disagreeing with. Education about STDs, protection, yevayln, is still lacking, though I've read of a few organizations who are making strides in that direction. I'd rather go and work with them though, than sit here and you know, b!tch and complain about it like everybody else does.


      Baron jan, if you were a woman, you would be singing a different tune. Don't try to understand us...I know it's hard for a man to grasp the idea of the HORRORS of a male dominated society....

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      • #23
        I have mixed feelings about societies with strict social ettiquette. From my point of view, they tend to be relatively dispassionate. Whether that means they are worse off is a different matter. I would expect that those who look in on the society are more distressed about it than those actually living in the society. The individuals that live in the society and feel that there is something better are probably a minority.

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        • #24
          The reason why they don't want things to change is because that has become their reality. They don't know anything beyond that. They just accept it for fear of being the outcast. That's why education is KEY when it comes to Armenia. They need to be educated about money, government, relationships, sex, love, drugs, & ROCK N ROLL!!!!!!

          I apologize for that last outburst. I have voices inside my head that sometimes take control over my mind.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Baron Dants
            Well, I think we have now reached the point where everything's exaggerated. Armenia is not what you make it out to be, and America and the "Western world" which we sooooo strive Armenia to be in is not what you made it out to be either. You brought one example, I'll bring another. A girl I volunteered with in Armenia is 21 years old, is graduating this year from the faculty of theology, and is not even thinking about marriage. Or will we just single her out as an exception because she doesn't fit in with your exception? A lot of it has to do with families. You always bring up stories about "backward" Armenians in your end of the world, and I found no similarities between them, and the Armenians in my end of the world.

            The hores of the rich people which you pointed out, anileve, are not part of what people in Armenia believe "real" values are. They're values of the "nouveau riche", which was of course brought on by the great Americans' pressures to switch to capitalism ASAP. Yes, I am well aware that the Americans only did so to encourage Armenians to be truly FREE, as that is what Americans always do... The difference between the hores of the rich in Armenia and the hores of the rich in America is very obvious. It is not that, in America, they are ethically more developped and the rich refuse to do such things. I'm sorry to reveal this, but Americans also have their flaws. It has more to do with Armenia being such a small country, that everyone in Yerevan knows everyone else, and keeping secrets is just much harder.

            Other than that, there are many social problems in Armenia, which there is no use disagreeing with. Education about STDs, protection, yevayln, is still lacking, though I've read of a few organizations who are making strides in that direction. I'd rather go and work with them though, than sit here and you know, b!tch and complain about it like everybody else does.
            She majored in theology?? Doesn't want to get married?? She wants to be a nun ! Heloooooo Put two and two together here.

            P.S. - does orthodox christianity have nuns? hmmm now I wonder.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by violette829
              Baron jan, if you were a woman, you would be singing a different tune. Don't try to understand us...I know it's hard for a man to grasp the idea of the HORRORS of a male dominated society....
              Bah, aren't we talking about the ills of Armenian society? I think both men and women can understand what's going on, and feel the dangers of it. Men might be less emotional about it, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. And cancelling out the male point of view because "men can't understand" is the perfect step towards not solving anything.

              Alright, about the corrupt police, you must consider the setting. It was in Soviet Armenia, in the weirdest economy anybody had ever seen...people were BOUND to look for some other sources of money. It's not something only Armenian, it was across the Soviet Union. And yes, the same thing happens now, because the police officers' salary is not nearly enough to pay for the family. A complete cleansing and restructuring of the Armenian Police should be done, just like it should also probably be done in Georgia, Ukraine, yevayln.

              About Armenians and money. Armenians have always been merchants, and good merchants. Armenians have also, in the past century, been subject to deprivation, and lots of it. From what I have observed around me, Armenian parents, who in Montreal are mostly first-generation immigrants, want their kids to have a comfortable life. This is why there is also that pressure on the kids of being a doctor or lawyer. Yet other than the Tibetans, I do not see how most other nationalities are different than armenians in that regard.

              Strip clubs in Armenia. Yes, there are strip clubs in Armenia. There are strip clubs in the USA, there are strip clubs in France, there are strip clubs in Russia, there are probably strip bars in Afghanistan too now. It is somewhat naïve to believe that we Armenians are above all of that. The thing with strip bars and other such places is that, the flashy neon lights grab your attention more than anything else. This is why you don't see the small computer software companies that are popping up from place to place. To say Armenia has only taken the bad part of American society is a flawed statement, based on either flawed information, or groundless assumptions.

              About your grandfather and his 5 wives......well I have no idea about what the hell happened there. I had never ever heard of such cases among Armenians, and I'm not going to defend it anytime soon.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by patlajan
                She majored in theology?? Doesn't want to get married?? She wants to be a nun ! Heloooooo Put two and two together here.

                P.S. - does orthodox christianity have nuns? hmmm now I wonder.
                Yes, brilliant investigative work there.

                Did I say she didn't want to get married? She just wasn't thinking of it at the moment. And she said she wanted to be in journalism, yevayln. She was very interested by the whole Islam fiasco going on right now.


                P.S. I have no idea.

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                • #28
                  I hate strip clubs but I would never want to get rid of them because it is none of my business. Not having them is not a matter of being above anything. There is actually quite a nice strip club in Yerevan. I think it was called Pioneer. Good place...very tasteful...good dancing...good music....

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                  • #29
                    I never said they should get rid of strip clubs. You are taking one tiny part of my argument and making that the basis for your response. I said they are taking all the MONEY MAKING IDEAS, which happen to be less than honorable businesses and making money off of that. I'm sorry but the idea of having some poor, starving Armenian teenager, shaking her ass in front of a bunch of fat, sweaty, MARRIED Armenian men...just gives me knots in my stomach. I realize that some things are just the "side effects" of modernization in Armenia, but I have yet to see major positive changes in the way Armenia is run. I was comparing Armenia today, to that of 30 years ago. It was much nicer, even then.

                    BARON: MY grandfather was a pimp.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by violette829
                      I never said they should get rid of strip clubs. You are taking one tiny part of my argument and making that the basis for your response.
                      This is true, because I have said all that I want to say in this thread but felt compelled to respond to that little bit that jumped out at me.

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