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  • #1041
    Re: notes / comments

    Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
    OK...so if the guy said "If nations that serve our national interests do it it’s not genocide"...does that make it better?

    I think you missed the point.
    there are some things a diplomat will never say.

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    • #1042
      Re: notes / comments

      Originally posted by arabaliozian View Post
      there are some things a diplomat will never say.
      No, some of us are not diplomats, but most Armenians make it seem like we should be when in fact the only way to address a problem is to "address a problem", there is no "right way" to let people know that you are offended, but I know from experience the best way is to be honest.

      Nowadays, all Armenians advocate is to lay down and just die, we should just allow people to walk all over us and you know why this policy is advocated? Because it goes back to my earlier point, Armenians are not assimilating they are just adapting, it is more convinient to adapt and accept a cowards death, this is the convinient choice, but understand, it is not the right choice.

      Essentially, the empires that oppressed Armenians may have taken away their properties and rights, but the most important blow to the Armenian people by these entities was the damage they did to the Armenian psyche. They extinguished our struggle for self determination, they tamed us. We are not able to build a state because state building requires self sacrifice, economic depression, war, famine, any downturn must be embraced for the "greater good of the state".
      Last edited by Virgil; 11-29-2007, 03:25 PM.

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      • #1043
        Re: notes / comments

        Friday, November 30, 2007
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        ARMENIANS OF THE WORLD UNITE
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        You have nothing to lose but your dividers.
        *
        A divider who speaks in the name of the nation is a liar.
        *
        There is only one way for a liar to think truth is on his side and that is by lying to himself.
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        The best way to deceive people is to tell them they are too smart to be deceived.
        *
        Dogmas, be they religious or ideological, in whose name we are divided are lies.
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        If there is a god and if there is life after death, we may know the truth, but until then we are destined to know only a fraction of it; and a fraction of the truth can be more misleading and dangerous than a lie.
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        A divider, no matter how wise, honest, and selfless, cannot speak in the name of the nation, only a fraction of it, and more often than not, an extremely tiny fraction.
        *
        A divider who portrays himself as a savior is in reality a gravedigger. His prototype is the revolutionary in the Ottoman Empire.
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        Armenians who identify themselves as Armenians and say they are proud of their identity form only a tiny fraction of the nation. The overwhelming majority have been successfully marginalized, alienated, assimilated, silenced, and reduced to the status of non-persons. But they exist as surely as any one of our bosses, bishops, and benefactors. They may even be better human beings if only because they deceive no one by parading as saviors during the day and turning into gravediggers at night.
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        Armenians of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your gravediggers.
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        • #1044
          Re: notes / comments

          Originally posted by Virgil View Post
          No, some of us are not diplomats, but most Armenians make it seem like we should be when in fact the only way to address a problem is to "address a problem", there is no "right way" to let people know that you are offended, but I know from experience the best way is to be honest.

          Nowadays, all Armenians advocate is to lay down and just die, we should just allow people to walk all over us and you know why this policy is advocated? Because it goes back to my earlier point, Armenians are not assimilating they are just adapting, it is more convinient to adapt and accept a cowards death, this is the convinient choice, but understand, it is not the right choice.

          Essentially, the empires that oppressed Armenians may have taken away their properties and rights, but the most important blow to the Armenian people by these entities was the damage they did to the Armenian psyche. They extinguished our struggle for self determination, they tamed us. We are not able to build a state because state building requires self sacrifice, economic depression, war, famine, any downturn must be embraced for the "greater good of the state".
          we were victimized because we were divided by our own leadership. and we continue to be divided today in the name of dogmas that are lies...and a house divided against itself cannot stand. let's put the blame where it belongs. / ara

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          • #1045
            Re: notes / comments

            Originally posted by arabaliozian View Post
            we were victimized because we were divided by our own leadership. and we continue to be divided today in the name of dogmas that are lies...and a house divided against itself cannot stand. let's put the blame where it belongs. / ara
            Dogmas? What are these "dogmas" that divide us? I am confused can you explain what "dogmas" these are? Are they religious dogmas? No, are they racial dogmas? No, are they ethnic dogmas? No, can you please explain to me what these "dogmas" are and how are they "dividing us"?

            And I do blame the leaders, I have always blamed the leaders, but the leader is no good if he has no followers. The problem is just this, Armenians are not motivated to follow anyone, they beleive the individual is greater than the state.

            Also, my point is that you have a people that were and are oppressed to a point that they refuse to fight, they have no fire in them anymore, this is the truth, they will just stagnate and go into decline if somone fails to lite the fire within them.
            Last edited by Virgil; 11-30-2007, 02:05 PM.

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            • #1046
              Re: notes / comments

              For the sake of all reason, stop blaming leaders of men for what we are! Who planted them in the first place?!
              "Besides, no one can save a nation that has condemned itself to the death of a thousand self-inflicted cuts." That's how I read it.

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              • #1047
                Re: notes / comments

                Originally posted by arabaliozian View Post
                there are some things a diplomat will never say.
                Your comment makes no sense to me because the guy being quoted was a reporter - not a diplomat.

                Again, in your attempts to be cheeky, you missed the point...or, perhaps you're avoiding meaningful dialogue as it doesn't suit your agenda.

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                • #1048
                  Re: notes / comments

                  Saturday, December 01, 2007
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                  A CITIZEN OF THE WORLD
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                  Aznavour in a recent interview published in PARIS MATCH on his “Benetton family”:
                  “We are of all colors and creeds. My daughter’s husband is Muslim, I am Gregorian, my wife is Protestant. With such a family one is in a better position to understand other people’s problems. To have many cultures is great!”
                  *
                  On Reading:
                  “For an illiterate I am an avid reader. I have a huge library – all of Guitry and Simenon. At the moment I am rereading Proust for the third time. First time he was a pain…second time hard going…third time magnificent.”
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                  On Politics:
                  “My wife threatens to divorce me if I ever run for office in Armenia.”
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                  On Old Age:
                  “My age [83] is an interesting one. It doesn’t bother me one bit. But it seems to matter to others.”
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                  On an Armenian Idiosyncrasy:
                  “In Armenia they all speak foreign languages. My mother spoke Greek and Turkish. My dad spoke Armenian and Russian. Though not xxxish, he understood Yiddish. All his life he spoke French with an accent so thick you could cut it with a knife.”
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                  • #1049
                    Re: notes / comments

                    Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
                    Your comment makes no sense to me because the guy being quoted was a reporter - not a diplomat.

                    Again, in your attempts to be cheeky, you missed the point...or, perhaps you're avoiding meaningful dialogue as it doesn't suit your agenda.
                    my point is that we have been and continue to be deficient in understanding the meaning of words in a diplomatic context. yours seem to be that i have an agenda. it is a mistake to read between the lines at the expense of the lines. / ara

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                    • #1050
                      Re: notes / comments

                      Wouldn't it be better to be up front with your thoughts in the first place? "Reading in between the lines" is not only an inefficient way of facilitating diolauge, but it also gets stale after a while - especialy when what you are trying to say is less than obvious.

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