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Originally posted by Anonymouse...Beliefs or phenomena that are associated with not being explained by science therefore are not negated because they do not meet scientific criteria. The idea that a belief is absurd because it cannot be validated by science is itself an assumption on the range of absurdity, and we don't call that science, it's called scientism.
What about neuroscience, psychology, cognitive science and all related fields? how are they related to your physical senses? You know senses are not the only tools used as a base for scientific method...
So, if your beliefs are explained (i.e. it is explained scientifically why did you end up with such and such beliefs) by the "brain-related" sciences, and by history and anthropology, then why should I think of them as something "out of the scope of science" and something inherently unprovable/undisprovable?
For me, if I can prove that your belief has a perfect historic and psychological explanation, it's "truth" value vanishes. It just isn't expressing a fact about the world, instead it's only a consequence of the environmental conditions you and your ancestors have been exposed to
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Originally posted by rabinovichAre you confusing science with physics?
What about neuroscience, psychology, cognitive science and all related fields? how are they related to your physical senses? You know senses are not the only tools used as a base for scientific method...
So, if your beliefs are explained (i.e. it is explained scientifically why did you end up with such and such beliefs) by the "brain-related" sciences, and by history and anthropology, then why should I think of them as something "out of the scope of science" and something inherently unprovable/undisprovable?
For me, if I can prove that your belief has a perfect historic and psychological explanation, it's "truth" value vanishes. It just isn't expressing a fact about the world, instead it's only a consequence of the environmental conditions you and your ancestors have been exposed to
Perhaps you are confusing what I am saying?Achkerov kute.
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Originally posted by AnonymouseI speak of science within the context of metaphysics. I am not confusing anything.
Perhaps you are confusing what I am saying?
And I am saying NO to that, because there ARE sciences that base not on senses but on 1. human mind / observer's own mind (which is directly observable to any human scientist and in principle does not require any external ports for information), 2. recorded history (which is a source of information we consider undisputed in this particular discussion), 3. observer's individual / social experience, 4. many other sources of information I forgot to mention here. Using such sources one can PROVE that certain beliefs originate under certain conditions and do not have a truth value in themselves (i.e. whether or not the fact is physically true or false, the belief originates in your mind), which nullifies those beliefs in my (and many other people's) eyes.
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Originally posted by AnonymouseI speak of science within the context of metaphysics. I am not confusing anything.
Perhaps you are confusing what I am saying?
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Originally posted by AnonymousePerhaps you should clarify what it is you want me to answer.
1: "oh yes, I didn't think of B, indeed not A", or
2: "yes, B, but there is also C, so still A", or
3: "how come B, if there is D? no, not B, and therefore still A"...
or along these lines
1 is called agreement
2, 3 are forms of disagreement
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Originally posted by rabinovichNot really. You are saying senses are the base of scientific discovery, therefore anything that cannot be sensed physically (or even physiologically) is not in the realm of science and cannot be proven/disproven.
And I am saying NO to that, because there ARE sciences that base not on senses but on 1. human mind / observer's own mind (which is directly observable to any human scientist and in principle does not require any external ports for information), 2. recorded history (which is a source of information we consider undisputed in this particular discussion), 3. observer's individual / social experience, 4. many other sources of information I forgot to mention here. Using such sources one can PROVE that certain beliefs originate under certain conditions and do not have a truth value in themselves (i.e. whether or not the fact is physically true or false, the belief originates in your mind), which nullifies those beliefs in my (and many other people's) eyes.
As a history major I will tell you that history is never considered "undisputed" and to claim so is childish. History is always disputed, and is always being revised because it is a process and is based on what Foucault observed as discourses based power relations of who does the speaking, who is spoken to and what is allowed to be spoken. I don't see what your point with this is unless you want to clarify without being vague.Achkerov kute.
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Originally posted by rabinovichWell when two people talk, one of them says "A", the other says "no, not A, because B", the first one normally either says
1: "oh yes, I didn't think of B, indeed not A", or
2: "yes, B, but there is also C, so still A", or
3: "how come B, if there is D? no, not B, and therefore still A"...
or along these lines
1 is called agreement
2, 3 are forms of disagreementAchkerov kute.
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