The battle over Evolution (continued)

[Anonymouse]

I didnt ask you anything. There is evidence for the Theory of Evolution, there is no proof. If there had been proof then it would not be in question anymore. You do not understand these terms nor what I said. Sorry to tell ya, but you need to look them up. You like dictionaries as I remember, use one.

I gathered that you were being an ass, dont worry. lol

Evidence for what? The problem with evolutionists is that they are repeating tautologies. The problem is down to one of semantics. What do we mean by evolution? If it is going to be traditional replies for moths or fruit flies, then yes that is called microevolution, and there is evidence for that. However, "microevolution" is a misnomer, as what that really is, is simply adaptation. Evolutionists intentionally confuse evolution and adaptation to mean the same thing. So that when there many examples of adaptation and within species variation, they label it as "evolution" and the confusion begins from there. There is absolutely no evidence that dogs, fruit flies, or moths lead to anything else other than what they began. To assert that they lead to bigger and better changes, that is sheer conjecture.

[ArmoBarbi]

Read up on evolution while youre at it.

[Anonymouse]

Read up on evolution while youre at it.

This statement makes no point of the issue I raised.

[ArmoBarbi]

Its an addition to what I said before you "raised your issue".

[Anonymouse]

Its an addition to what I said before you "raised your issue".

Such statements usually do nothing more than affirm that you cannot engage in a discussion and must therefore compensate by saying "Go read up on evolution". It's either that, or posting long articles like winoman, but never able to discuss any specific concept of said theory.

[ArmenianKid]

No, do tell.

Yosef, there is evidence to support the theory of evolution - its not proof. (although Id be happy if there was proof)

sorry i worded it wrong =( i ment there much much more evidence towards evolution.

[ArmoBarbi]

sorry i worded it wrong =( i ment there much much more evidence towards evolution.

No problem

[ArmoBarbi]

Such statements usually do nothing more than affirm that you cannot engage in a discussion and must therefore compensate by saying "Go read up on evolution". It's either that, or posting long articles like winoman, but never able to discuss any specific concept of said theory.

After all the discussion you have seen from me? Youre either desporate for a come back or.... nope, youre desporate for a come back.

Why do you mention winoman when he wasnt even talking to you and them complain about him? Stop insulting people and noone will bother you.

[ArmenianKid]

its his favorite passtime, i came to relize this after only a month on the forum. whenever there is a chance for him to nag and someone...he takes it.

[winoman]

Evolutionists intentionally confuse evolution and adaptation to mean the same thing. So that when there many examples of adaptation and within species variation, they label it as "evolution" and the confusion begins from there. There is absolutely no evidence that dogs, fruit flies, or moths lead to anything else other than what they began. To assert that they lead to bigger and better changes, that is sheer conjecture.

Hm - how can one "adapt" if they do not "evolve"? And evolve, change, adapt - all interelated. And there is more then ample evidence for creatures that were not quite dogs or not quite all the various creatures we see now - being something that is in essence an earlier form - there is a tremendous amount of evidence for such - that combined with observations of all types, predictions that have come to pass, application of falsability, application of genetic discoveries and so on and so forth - comprising a great body of evidence - making the proof for evolution as solid as that of any scientific understanding.

From Websters:
Main Entry: adapt
Pronunciation: &-'dapt, a-
Function: verb
Etymology: French or Latin; French adapter, from Latin adaptare, from ad- + aptare to fit, from aptus apt, fit
transitive senses : to make fit (as for a specific or new use or situation) often by modification

ADAPT implies a modification according to changing circumstances

Main Entry: mod·i·fi·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "mä-d&-f&-'kA-sh&n
Function: noun

3 a : the making of a limited change in something; also : the result of such a change b : a change in an organism caused by environmental factors


Entry Word: evolve
Function: verb
Text: 1
Synonyms DERIVE 1, educe, excogitate
Related Word get (at), obtain; advance
2
Synonyms UNFOLD 3, develop, elaborate
Related Word advance, progress; mature

Main Entry: evo·lu·tion
Pronunciation: "e-v&-'lü-sh&n, "E-v&-
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin evolution-, evolutio unrolling, from evolvere

2 a : a process of change in a certain direction : UNFOLDING b : the action or an instance of forming and giving something off : EMISSION c (1) : a process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more complex, or better state : GROWTH (2) : a process of gradual and relatively peaceful social, political, and economic advance d : something evolved
3 : the process of working out or developing
4 a : the historical development of a biological group (as a race or species) : PHYLOGENY b : a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations