Socialism. your thoughts?

[Anonymouse]

you just proved your own ignorance by posting that. if you read my post right you would know what i was talking about. many diffrant times people were attacking me directly and not the topic. i can understand if someone dosnt not like socialism, everyone is intitled to thier oppinion but attacking me is not following the topic. i was trying to say this the whole god dam time.

No, you were whining about people not talking about what you thought they should be talking about.

[ArmoBarbi]

you just proved your own ignorance by posting that. if you read my post right you would know what i was talking about. many diffrant times people were attacking me directly and not the topic. i can understand if someone dosnt not like socialism, everyone is intitled to thier oppinion but attacking me is not following the topic. i was trying to say this the whole god dam time.

Don't stress over this. Your health is far more important. We can all read here. Just relax and have fun, when it stops being fun just ignore.

[ArmenianKid]

No, you were whining about people not talking about what you thought they should be talking about.

i never whined about what people thought. i said it was off topic when they started insulting me for my belifes. i dont care if u dont like socialism but dont insult me for beliving in it, which u did.

[Anonymouse]

i never whined about what people thought. i said it was off topic when they started insulting me for my belifes. i dont care if u dont like socialism but dont insult me for beliving in it, which u did.

I did not insult you, I simply returned the favor. Now lets move on.

[Objectivist]

Instead of an intellectual discussion, this thread has developed into a series of attacks ad hominem, thus it should be deleted.

Socialism, in itself, would deny men of their own existence. It denounces the individual and proclaims the collective supreme. It denies men of being worthy to exist solely for themselves and in return tells them to be slaves to an unknown and unknowable force - the commune.

Since Man's reason on this earth is to survive for himself, why is he forced to waive this requisite for survival and sacrifice himself at the alter of society? Because of a desire for the unearned by whim-worshippers whom desire to have an automatic survival and desire not to think and work for themselves.

[Anonymouse]

Instead of an intellectual discussion, this thread has developed into a series of attacks ad hominem, thus it should be deleted.

Socialism, in itself, would deny men of their own existence. It denounces the individual and proclaims the collective supreme. It denies men of being worthy to exist solely for themselves and in return tells them to be slaves to an unknown and unknowable force - the commune.

Since Man's reason on this earth is to survive for himself, why is he forced to waive this requisite for survival and sacrifice himself at the alter of society? Because of a desire for the unearned by whim-worshippers whom desire to have an automatic survival and desire not to think and work for themselves.

I like you already.

[winoman]

Since Man's reason on this earth is to survive for himself, why is he forced to waive this requisite for survival and sacrifice himself at the alter of society?

Because without society you would still be living in a cave and gathering berries in the bush. Yeah - go ahead and go it alone - abandon society - live out in the wild (quit the internet) etc and so on and so forth - if this is your ideal - if your "reaon on earth is to survive for" yourself - please by all means sally forth and get on with it - what are you waiting for? Are you really that naive and self-centered?

[Objectivist]

Because without society you would still be living in a cave and gathering berries in the bush.

I did not say that we should get rid of society - you can't get rid of something that doesn't exist - I said that Man should not live for other men, he should live for himself and should survive by his own hand, neither sacrificing others to himself or sacrificing himself to others.

This statement is untrue since any innovations in 'society' have been made possible by the power of individual ideas, not by any sort of collective thought.

Yeah - go ahead and go it alone - abandon society - live out in the wild (quit the internet) etc and so on and so forth - if this is your ideal - if your "reaon on earth is to survive for" yourself - please by all means sally forth and get on with it - what are you waiting for?

Again, I never said to abandon society, I said that Man's sole purpose was to live for himself. I do not know how you can get "abandoning society" out of "Man's reason on earth is to survive by his own means".

Are you really that naive and self-centered

Argument From Intimidation, huh? I do not usually acknowledge those who consistently use fallacies as some sort of basis to prove someone else wrong. I am not a social metaphysicist. So instead of worrying if there is something wrong with me when you attack me ad hominem, I see it as a reflection of your own self-esteem.

P.S. What is the logic you used to arrive at the conclusion that I was naive?
P.S.S. Self-centered? You're damn right I am. I could not live any other way.

[Anonymouse]

I did not say that we should get rid of society - you can't get rid of something that doesn't exist - I said that Man should not live for other men, he should live for himself and should survive by his own hand, neither sacrificing others to himself or sacrificing himself to others.

This statement is untrue since any innovations in 'society' have been made possible by the power of individual ideas, not by any sort of collective thought.



Again, I never said to abandon society, I said that Man's sole purpose was to live for himself. I do not know how you can get "abandoning society" out of "Man's reason on earth is to survive by his own means".



Argument From Intimidation, huh? I do not usually acknowledge those who consistently use fallacies as some sort of basis to prove someone else wrong. I am not a social metaphysicist. So instead of worrying if there is something wrong with me when you attack me ad hominem, I see it as a reflection of your own self-esteem.

P.S. What is the logic you used to arrive at the conclusion that I was naive?
P.S.S. Self-centered? You're damn right I am. I could not live any other way.

Don't bother with him, he is a crypto-socialist, and needs to appeal to emotions and irrationality in order to come up with a response, as you got a taste of.

[Objectivist]

Don't bother with him, he is a crypto-socialist, and needs to appeal to emotions and irrationality in order to come up with a response, as you got a taste of.

If that ain't the truth, I don't know what is.