Socialism. your thoughts?

[ArmoBarbi]

Excuse me for thinking that you may have been talking about SU only after you narrowed down the meaning of "religion" to the Catholic Church. lol

[Anonymouse]

Excuse me for thinking that you may have been talking about SU only after you narrowed down the meaning of "religion" to the Catholic Church. lol

Is that all you have to say? So now you quietly let go of your flawed contention that religion has caused more deaths?

It is natural for atheists to claim that and it happens all the time, as it is indicative of ideological bias. Because how dare someone claim that the earthly utopias envisioned by political systems in the 20th century caused more destruction than religion. Naturally one is against, that which one doesn't believe in, or despise, or see as fraudulent, etc., and it's natural to level charges at it.

[Anonymouse]

For those of you interested I recommend R. J. Rummel's, Death By Government, in which he argues that governments are responsible for killing no fewer than about 170 million of their own residents and citizens in the 20th century and we are talking non-combatants here.

[ArmoBarbi]

I dont feel a need to constantly repeat my claims. Thanks

[Anonymouse]

I dont feel a need to constantly repeat my claims. Thanks

How profound. Now run along.

[ArmoBarbi]

I just found your cliche - "Now run along."

Does that make you feel good?

[Anonymouse]

I just found your cliche - "Now run along."

Does that make you feel good?

I'm really not perturbed either way.

[ArmenianKid]

ok i havnt posted on here in ahile and let to point out a few things.

first when i say socialism i dont mean the nazi party or the communist party.
iam talking a democratic socialistic country (canada)

not all socialism is extremist or a totalitarian form of government.

more deaths have been atribited to 'democratic' governments such as the USA Russia and others then the countrys that follow the original socialistic ideal

and please dont turn this thread into another place for you all to fight.

[Anonymouse]

ok i havnt posted on here in ahile and let to point out a few things.

first when i say socialism i dont mean the nazi party or the communist party.
iam talking a democratic socialistic country (canada)

not all socialism is extremist or a totalitarian form of government.

more deaths have been atribited to 'democratic' governments such as the USA Russia and others then the countrys that follow the original socialistic ideal

and please dont turn this thread into another place for you all to fight.

You have a naive view of political systems. All socialism is based on the coercion of individuals. To the degree that all political systems coerce individuals, they are all socialistic.

I am used to Marxists or Communists saying that the Soviet Union was not Communism, or what have you, and basically making apologetic statements. But the fact is, when history put it to practice the results are in, no matter how many people are going to cry about their earthly utopia not working out.

Here is a definition of socialism so we can understand it better.

Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: 'sO-sh&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

There you have it. And you can't make the distinction between deaths on one varying from democratic governments versus the idea of socialism. Of course the idea of socialism isn't at fault, it's only when the ideal is instituted to mold society and applied to peoples. And by that I have already shown, and in fact, history has shown that Communism/Socialism caused far more harm than anything else.

I am quite tired of these collective ideologies and ideologues who claim they alone are possessors of truth and that somehow our perception of what socialism/marxism/communism really is, is flawed.

[ArmoBarbi]

Did you mean to actually make a point there? I did not see anyone here claim that the SU was not Communism, thus I don't see a reason for you to mention it.

We, the forumers who participated in your thread, all dislike any form of Socialist government - especially Communism. The Socialistic government imagined by Marxist, and attempted by Lenin is a noble notion, but it is not practical.