What do you consider more important.....

[Anahita]

Re: What do you consider more important.....

As for other countries, like Africa, never making it to so-called high civilization: this is YOUR interpretation of high civilization. Other people might have a different view on what a high civilization is. I do hope that despite your adamant views on biological warfare and ultimate genocide of what you call "lower mankind," you do have a high enough IQ to be able to see beauty, inspiration, and intelligence around the world. It would make you miss out on quite a bit if you wouldn't, including your own culture, which may not be as highly civilized as Nietzsche's, in your view, but has beauties that no other culture in the world, not even the most civilized, has ever created.

Thank you, tunot.

[jgk3]

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Prepare to have a long debate, and learn how to debate better in the process.

[Siggie]

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Anahita, I have to agree with Sip. You manage to link everything to some environmental issue and it's getting quite old. Posting offtopic means not sticking to the topic of the thread and it's got nothing to do with your perceived connections (ie just because something in a thread leads you to another thought or topic, does not make it ontopic and therefore okay to post). Please stop it.

Mouse - I believe I read somewhere that there's been no ethnic differences found... do you have a citation that says otherwise?

Tunot - There is no such correlation to my knowledge, so do you too have a citation for that claim? It would be very difficult if not impossible, to be able to study certain aspects of environment. There are just too many extraneous variables to control for. Twin studies support a very strong biological influence, but it's not possible to control for environment in the way that using monozygotic twins control genetics.

[Anahita]

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ON INTELLIGENCE!

If I really need to, I (we) will destroy the global economy to save humanity--maybe via lightning strikes (that means many jobs are gone and that techno, computer, and economics skills are REALLY completely worthless). It will take less than a month without electricity (as just one example of the how) to bring all in the global economy back to mostly a subsistence-kind (at least just a local/regional economy) of living. I’d really rather not need to do that.

I am asking for your help and it is definitely in your best interest to listen to me. I think, those who don’t listen aren’t very smart, regardless of their so-called qualifications. Tell me more about ‘worthlessness’ and being smart [dripping in irony and sarcasm]

Now, knowing that, we can debate and discuss. I already have many on Wall Street scrambling (‘running’—per the footprint thread) to respect the planet (that’s good and I thank their efforts.) I think that anyone who can’t see what I am saying isn’t very intelligent (also see the irony of religion thread). LIGHTS OUT is only one of thousands of things that can happen…

[Siggie]

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That's exactly what I'm talking about! You sound like the definition of a narcissist (click for description). Stop it or you're gone...permanently. I've had all I can tolerate.

[Anahita]

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That's exactly what I'm talking about! You sound like the definition of a narcissist (click for description). Stop it or you're gone...permanently. I've had all I can tolerate.

I honestly don’t understand what you want. Stop what? Being honest?

I understand that you don’t really understand what I say, but how is not saying things better? Because the truth isn’t comfortable? Should I remain silent and let many people die? I'm not kidding, either. That doesn't seem like an intelligent thing to do. Please explain what you mean and let me know if you want me to post things in a specific place, or whatever. I can’t lie by omission of information, though.

Siggie, I know that this all can feel threatening and intimidating because of your chosen profession… but, like with everyone I’ve given a direction, I give good leads--I gave you a book that, if you read, you'll understand and see the potential there (you can find a new nitch, where few have treaded, within that profession that legitimizes what you do in the light of new information.) Seriously, I am handing new niches (with lots of $$) but people seem to reject those right now. I also had this idea for 'post-it' notes...

[Siggie]

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Did you happen to look at that description of a narcissist? Not everyone who disagrees with you has failed to comprehend you. I understand what you say and shockingly I even agree with a bit of it. I have no idea what you mean about being threatened because of my chosen profession. I have no problem with your opinions and you're welcome to then and you're welcome to share them, BUT only in the appropriate place. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that dna barcoding application to species of animals is not relevant to this discussion?! You're going overboard and you are really testing my patience. Express your opinion in the relevant thread. All you're doing is posting it anywhere where you can make any sort of connection in your mind and that seems to be everywhere. That is spamming and I'm not going to let you do it anymore.
I didn't expect this to lead to a discussion in this thread and now I'm sorry I said it here, but I am not going to discuss it further. If this was not explicit and clear enough for you to understand what I am saying, then there is no way I can get it through to you, but I will not ask again.
Do not even reply. There's no need. Just do it or leave.

[jgk3]

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yikes...

Anyhow, about the comment on no variation based on ethnicity (for intelligence)... Well, ethnicity based on skin colour is very stupid because there could be as much genetic variation or even more variation between two "Negros" than between a "Negro" and "Caucasian". These "ethnicities" are works of society and so is their performance when compared to "whites". Yes yes yes, there's always a biological variable, but don't blow it out of proportion with such blind categorizations. There are always hidden, lingering variables behind performance... I read that an Canada for example, blacks on average have a higher rate for getting a university diploma than whites do. There is no mention of what programs they've been enrolled in or where they live, and so we may very well be comparing populations unfit to be compared so blindly.

Yet this can be seen from the flipside situation as well, such as in why in America, blacks on average score the lowest of all. I personally couldn't care less if it's true or not (if it's true, well tough luck for them), but I've yet to be convinced that the sources of such findings are credible.

[Anahita]

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EVERYONE IS AFRICAN—many don’t deserve the right to claim that dignity, though.

You manage to link everything to some environmental issue and it's getting quite old.

I am sorry… that message (that I quoted) was either posted before or at the very same time as I wrote what I did earlier. I have trouble because you and I think in very different time and contexts. This is very serious and makes me cry because I try so hard to help you understand. I AM on topic but you don’t understand that (and I don’t know how to say that in the right or correct way.).

Ok, what issues are NOT ecology issues? I challenge you to find any issue that is not, at the core, an ecological issue. I’ve been trying to say that all along. What does the Armenian genocide matter to anyone, if insane Bush Jr. goes even more insane and big-nuclear with Iran, starts a nuclear war, and kills all. I tend to think big picture and maybe that is why my posts seem off topic. They really are not, though.

[jgk3]

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Everything's interconnected, that's true, but we're all too distracted by one or two aspects of it all at a time, and so when you bring an issue that embraces all other issues, we feel disoriented. It just doesn't feel all that related, but it definately is, because we all stem out from nature.

But Siggie wants to lay down some rules, and there's not much you can do about it.