War in The Middle East

[D3ADSY]

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Dude wtf you know, they drop bombs in west bank made in USA without America, they are nothing, they got all the US military goodies. If america gave that much support to armenia, we could take over the world

And Armenia is very dependant on Russia. Where does all the equipment used by the Armenian army come from? Everything the Armenian armed forces have is ex-Red Army is it not? If we were not part of the CCCP, tell me, would we even have an Army? Where would the equipment have come from? I don't know how the system worked during soviet times but I'm sure no one actually paid for the equipment, it was after all Soviet military on Soviet soil, which after the break up was absorbed by the newly independent republics as their own.
Israel makes quite a bit of it's equipment itself. For example their Merkava tanks and a variety of APCs built on older Soviet tanks chassis. Even if Armenia got as much US support as Israel we would not even come close to "taking over the world". How would you even take over Turkey Mr Fedayeen?
And you ask me "wtf you know"?

Your kind of people make me shame, specially in here, mislead, generalizing, propaganda swallowed blind fool

Whats the difference between suicide bomber and bombs dropped from plane, same xxxx idiot

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...988&q=armenian

Usually the difference is a suicide bomber walks into a cafe in Jerusalem or a bunch of Iraqis lining up at a police recruiting area in Baghdad and blows himself up. The pilot of the military aircraft on the other hand relies on intelligence to bomb specific targets. Ofcourse in war, in every war that has ever been, civilians die.
Btw, good video, but why can't we call them by their Armenian word, "haydouk ". We are the only Christian people to use the word Fedayi/Fedayeen/etc.
Wiki says:
Fedayeen (from the Arabic fidā'ī, plural fidā'īyīn, فدائيون: "one who is ready to sacrifice his life") describes several distinct, primarily Arab groups at different times in history.
It does not make sense. Then again very little of what you say does.
Israel will keep bombing Lebanon and the Lebanese civilian population will keep paying the price, this is extremely sad. At the same time you have to look at the situation in a realistic way, with out emotion, and realise that the streets of Beirut were filled with people waving Hezbollah's yellow flags soon after the capture of the two IDF soldiers. So who is more responsible for their current plight?

[simonig]

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Let me break this down a little further. This all comes down to Syria supporting Hezbolla. In order to stop Hezbolla, Syria has to be forced to stop them.

The easiest way to stop Syria is to cut off their water. The water supply to Syria comes from Turkey. The U.S. has already warned Syria that all they have to do is make one phone call to Turkey to stop the supply of water to Syria.

Turkey will of course ask for something in return. The biggest problem Turkey is currently facing is the Kurdish attacks in south eastern Turkey.

If the U.S. takes an anti-Kurdish stand in Turkey, it would result in further instability in Iraq.

The U.S. does not want to get involved until they have to. Consequentaly, Lebanon will suffer a steep price. It looks unlikely now that Syria and Iran will get involved and even more unlikely that Russia will either.

[Fedayeen]

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And Armenia is very dependant on Russia. Where does all the equipment used by the Armenian army come from? Everything the Armenian armed forces have is ex-Red Army is it not? If we were not part of the CCCP, tell me, would we even have an Army? Where would the equipment have come from? I don't know how the system worked during soviet times but I'm sure no one actually paid for the equipment, it was after all Soviet military on Soviet soil, which after the break up was absorbed by the newly independent republics as their own.
Israel makes quite a bit of it's equipment itself. For example their Merkava tanks and a variety of APCs built on older Soviet tanks chassis. Even if Armenia got as much US support as Israel we would not even come close to "taking over the world". How would you even take over Turkey Mr Fedayeen?
And you ask me "wtf you know"?

Ok you got that right, but we didn't steal any land

Usually the difference is a suicide bomber walks into a cafe in Jerusalem or a bunch of Iraqis lining up at a police recruiting area in Baghdad and blows himself up. The pilot of the military aircraft on the other hand relies on intelligence to bomb specific targets. Ofcourse in war, in every war that has ever been, civilians die.
Btw, good video, but why can't we call them by their Armenian word, "haydouk ". We are the only Christian people to use the word Fedayi/Fedayeen/etc.
Wiki says:
Fedayeen (from the Arabic fidā'ī, plural fidā'īyīn, فدائيون: "one who is ready to sacrifice his life") describes several distinct, primarily Arab groups at different times in history.
It does not make sense. Then again very little of what you say does.
Israel will keep bombing Lebanon and the Lebanese civilian population will keep paying the price, this is extremely sad. At the same time you have to look at the situation in a realistic way, with out emotion, and realise that the streets of Beirut were filled with people waving Hezbollah's yellow flags soon after the capture of the two IDF soldiers. So who is more responsible for their current plight?

Does no matter, we all know what Israel is doing, been doing, is completly wrong

Well they say we bomb military tagets, but 50-70% of the time they end up killing civilians

12 Lebanese killed in convoy attack
AP
Sat Jul 15, 2006
BEIRUT, Lebanon - At least 12 Lebanese villagers, including women and children, were killed Saturday in what appeared to be an Israeli airstrike on a convoy of vehicles fleeing a village near the border with Israel in southern Lebanon, a witness said.
The convoy was leaving the border village of Marwaheen, when it was attacked. An Associated Press photgrapher said he counted 12 bodies in two cars that were destroyed by the attack shortly after midday.
Several hours earlier, Israeli forces across the border told villagers by loudspeaker to leave the area or else the village would be destroyed. They did not give a reason for the ultimatum.
The convoy of several vehicles was hit near the border fence less than half a mile from the village.
The residents said they had first gone to a U.N. peacekeepers position manned by Ghanian forces to take refuge but they were turned down. There was no immediate confirmation from U.N. peacekeepers, who have a force in southern Lebanon.

[Fedayeen]

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Let me break this down a little further. This all comes down to Syria supporting Hezbolla. In order to stop Hezbolla, Syria has to be forced to stop them.

The easiest way to stop Syria is to cut off their water. The water supply to Syria comes from Turkey. The U.S. has already warned Syria that all they have to do is make one phone call to Turkey to stop the supply of water to Syria.

Turkey will of course ask for something in return. The biggest problem Turkey is currently facing is the Kurdish attacks in south eastern Turkey.

If the U.S. takes an anti-Kurdish stand in Turkey, it would result in further instability in Iraq.

The U.S. does not want to get involved until they have to. Consequentaly, Lebanon will suffer a steep price. It looks unlikely now that Syria and Iran will get involved and even more unlikely that Russia will either.

US was involved before all this even began

Or how do you conder a US involvment? by dropping an atomic bomb?

[Anonymouse]

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And Armenia is very dependant on Russia. Where does all the equipment used by the Armenian army come from? Everything the Armenian armed forces have is ex-Red Army is it not? If we were not part of the CCCP, tell me, would we even have an Army? Where would the equipment have come from? I don't know how the system worked during soviet times but I'm sure no one actually paid for the equipment, it was after all Soviet military on Soviet soil, which after the break up was absorbed by the newly independent republics as their own.
Israel makes quite a bit of it's equipment itself. For example their Merkava tanks and a variety of APCs built on older Soviet tanks chassis. Even if Armenia got as much US support as Israel we would not even come close to "taking over the world". How would you even take over Turkey Mr Fedayeen?
And you ask me "wtf you know"?



Usually the difference is a suicide bomber walks into a cafe in Jerusalem or a bunch of Iraqis lining up at a police recruiting area in Baghdad and blows himself up. The pilot of the military aircraft on the other hand relies on intelligence to bomb specific targets. Ofcourse in war, in every war that has ever been, civilians die.
Btw, good video, but why can't we call them by their Armenian word, "haydouk ". We are the only Christian people to use the word Fedayi/Fedayeen/etc.
Wiki says:
Fedayeen (from the Arabic fidā'ī, plural fidā'īyīn, فدائيون: "one who is ready to sacrifice his life") describes several distinct, primarily Arab groups at different times in history.
It does not make sense. Then again very little of what you say does.
Israel will keep bombing Lebanon and the Lebanese civilian population will keep paying the price, this is extremely sad. At the same time you have to look at the situation in a realistic way, with out emotion, and realise that the streets of Beirut were filled with people waving Hezbollah's yellow flags soon after the capture of the two IDF soldiers. So who is more responsible for their current plight?

First of all I agree about the word 'Fedayeen' and why Armenians use it perplexes me, but that is not the point in this thread.

The point is that regardless of who uses 'intelligence' to bomb or not (and one can argue that suicide bombers use as much intelligence as Israeli airforce pilots), the issue is who has the more dangerous motives? It seems Israel was only waiting for a pretext and the capture of two Israeli soldiers just proved that.

This is about wider Israeli and American goals to strike at the heart of the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Hamas axis. I am not sure where you put more responsibility, but if you put the blame on the current situation with the A-rabs, you have been watching too much CNN and Faux News.

[Sip]

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It seems Israel was only waiting for a pretext and the capture of two Israeli soldiers just proved that.

I think that's true but at the same time, the Hezbollah (and Iran) also seemed to be really itchin to get this show on the road. Although the people are the ones that ultimately lose, it just seems that both sides were more than eager and ready for all this and had been for a while now.

[Anonymouse]

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I think that's true but at the same time, the Hezbollah (and Iran) also seemed to be really itchin to get this show on the road. Although the people are the ones that ultimately lose, it just seems that both sides were more than eager and ready for all this and had been for a while now.

Hezbollah would benefit from this as the continued bombing only makes people see Israel as the bully and more people will see Hezbollah as the resistance. It was stupid on behalf of Israel.

[D3ADSY]

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Ok you got that right, but we didn't steal any land

But we did fight for Artsakh. Azeris say we stole it. Perspective.

Does no matter, we all know what Israel is doing, been doing, is completly wrong

Well they say we bomb military tagets, but 50-70% of the time they end up killing civilians

I agree, it is wrong and the lack of any forceful political intervention, not even strong condemnation against Israel is simply disgusting.

[karoaper]

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But we did fight for Artsakh. Azeris say we stole it. Perspective.



I agree, it is wrong and the lack of any forceful political intervention, not even strong condemnation against Israel is simply disgusting.

Wait, who are and always were the majority in Arcakh? Armenians, not Azeris. There's no perspective there. You cannot talk of perspective as you consider factual evidence of population demographics and the historical evidence of who and what brought conflict to a region.

In the Israel case, let's put away blind allegiances based on things we've been told. In the history of the world, few nations have caused major clashes of civilization: Turkey and the Ottomans being the classic example. Seems to me that Israel will be the Turkey of the future: complete disregard for human life and suffering of those that are weak, weaving of incredible amounts of bullxxxx, hiding behind the poweful ally who is too self-serving to care. Sounds familiar?

[simonig]

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Abyss, can you give us an update on what's going on with the Armenians in Beirut.

Thanks