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  • #41
    Originally posted by Lamb Boy
    Exactly ...

    I personally have no problem with homosexuals or if their childrern turn out to be homosexual...
    Yeah just think if you could outlaw gay parents then maybe we wouldn't have such a gay problem anymore...

    Its much more difficult (and stringent) to be an adoptive parent of any kind then you might imagine - we can't control (the sexual orientation - or much of anything concerning biological parentage and some gays do become parents naturally - but most that are being referred to here I think are those who adopt - either single or couples)...

    Somehow I think its much more important to have loving caring parents or parent then any issue regarding their sexual orientation really. And almost anyone who goes through what they have to for adoption is a ver special person in this regard - parenting is full of great sacrifice all around. Additionally most adoptive parents are fairly well off financially and this often relates to educational level as well - so children of these parents really will tend to have quite a few advantages as compared to what many children who come into this world have to look foreward to. Again I don't see sexual orientation as really such a big issue - most hetero parents don't really talk that much about sex to their kids anyway - and I imagine that gay parents are likewise private about themselves and really don't know about what they might discuss or pass on. I do think however that children of gay parents are lokely to be brought up more accepting of diversity and differences among people - unlike the narrow minded bigotry I see in evidence among some of our frequent posters here who for some odd and unexplainable reason seem to think they are enlightened and or are more special - better - then others - etc. I would think that the children of almost any typical gay parents are likley to be brought up with much better values - much more likley to help them trun out to be a decent and respectable human being then what they might get if they were children of some of the narrow minded trunciated individuals seen in this very forum who think theysomehow have more to offer. Plus they likely cook better, have better fashion sense and have a better appreciation for the arts...

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    • #42
      Originally posted by winoman
      Yeah just think if you could outlaw gay parents then maybe we wouldn't have such a gay problem anymore...

      I would think that the children of almost any typical gay parents are likley to be brought up with much better values - much more likley to help them trun out to be a decent and respectable human being then what they might get if they were children of some of the narrow minded trunciated individuals seen in this very forum who think theysomehow have more to offer. Plus they likely cook better, have better fashion sense and have a better appreciation for the arts...
      Well as I stated before I have no problem AT ALL w/gay couples and their children. I just don't like children having to bear the brunt of the social condemnation for what their parents chose for sexual orientation. Imagine how alienated a kid must feel during sex Ed coming from parents that are homosexual. Then think if the parents had not explained the birds and bees and the kid asks a very intimately revealing question in class ... I can only imagine. How do you think the fellow classmates would respond upon finding out private information like that? Could the kid receive ridicule, beatings, ostracism from friends? I am sure and perhaps in very extreme cases perhaps even wind up dead. All this for what? It would have nothing to do with the kid other than the fact that their adopted parents happen to be homosexual.

      I was made fun of FOR YEARS just for my last name lol poor kids they have to be like 40 years of age in terms of maturity before they even enter middle school in order to deal with what the other kids are going to put them through.

      As far as being brought up with better values ... I mean I don't even know how you could substantiate such a claim like that. I imagine it would be the same as any other set of parents regardless of sexual orientation.

      To believe that homosexuals have more appreciation for the arts is silly and stereotypical. Would they turn out better than "Truncated ..." well yeah no one would argue against that, but to think just because someone is a homosexual that they are somehow more enlightened than everybody else is just ridiculous.

      Like I said before in these days of political correctness in the eyes of gay activists and their sympathetic friends they as a group are incapable of doing wrong and are above critical statements. This along with using kids as political pawns is my only beef with the whole homosexual culture. I mean no one is perfect and to pretend that certain ppl are because of their sexual orientation is ridiculous. They are not impervious to critical examine and just because they are a minority group doesn’t mean ppl should just hold their tongue like "If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all ..." Right ... I for one will never do that regardless of how "anti PC" I might sound. If what you're doing seems unethical then I'll call you out on it period ... no one or group of ppl are EVER perfect OR above criticism.
      Last edited by Lamb Boy; 12-07-2005, 09:01 PM.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by TomServo
        I saw a few this past summer at the cafes.
        most likely tourists

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Lamb Boy
          This is one of the reasons why natural selection has not moved past this gene, IF that's what makes someone a homosexual. My girlfriend and I were talking about that and if natural selection is indeed a true mechanism for evolution then over time the "homosexual gene" would eventually dissipate. Then she pointed out to me that many homosexuals have children (doh!).

          What you stated is one of the reasons why homosexuality has not omitted itself IF (BIG IF) you believe that homosexuality is only genetic. When my girlfriend and I were talking about it that was my whole point ... that the fact that homosexuality is still prevalent and perhaps even getting much larger shows that it is not inherently genetic and perhaps more environmental ... anyway that was my fleeting thought ... probably a combo of many variables imo including genetics, environment, hormones yada yada ...

          Anyone see the SVU episode last night? They are so sensational it's ridiculous. The only part I agreed with in regards to being critical of the homosexual community was the idea that homosexual couples with children often use those children as pawns in their own political statement for homosexual rights. Really sad imo as the kids don't even have an idea about what the hell is going on yet they become, without consent, the foot soldiers for their parents’ political statements. Who cares how it affects the child as long as our statement is made. It's selfish and inconsiderate to say the least.
          i'm sorry let me clarify for you. by gay people marrying in armenia, i meant that a gay man would marry a woman and have a "normal" family just to fit into the social norms.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by winoman
            Yeah I know exactly how you feel....exactly...
            The only difference is that J ews are an ethnic identity aside from a religion, otherwise we couldn't talk of Ashkenazi J ews, or Sephardic J ews, or a J ewish gene, or when someone says "I'm half J ewish",or much less talk about Israel, a wholly J ewish state, or Zionism, which is J ewish nationalism. Apparently that's too much for a 40 year old to comprehend.
            Achkerov kute.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Anonymouse
              The only difference is that J ews are an ethnic identity aside from a religion, otherwise we couldn't talk of Ashkenazi J ews, or Sephardic J ews, or a J ewish gene, or when someone says "I'm half J ewish",or much less talk about Israel, a wholly J ewish state, or Zionism, which is J ewish nationalism. Apparently that's too much for a 40 year old to comprehend.
              Yeah just like some Turks try to explain how its impossible for Turks to be racist due to their mixed ethnic makeup - you try to weasle out of the fact that you are just a petty little know-nothing racist and hater. All can clearly see that you and the Turks are speaking BS for all it is worth. This issue has nothing to do with the J ews per se - its all about you - all about you - thats the way you like it isn't it? You have no real care for anything you spew about - its just all about you - and very much like the (many/most) Turks (asnd as a people) you have a severe self-image/self confidence issue that apparently you address by put downs of others and justifications for thinking of others as less then you etc. Well...
              Last edited by winoman; 12-08-2005, 04:09 AM.

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              • #47
                LambB - what of children of mixed race? What about handicaped children? These children often undergo emotional tramua or abuse by others - are you equally worried about them? Are you ready to "ban" or outlaw them as well - or whatever. My advice is to just mind your own business - don't we have enough to worry about taking care of our own s hit without having to worry about, complain about or dictate to others how to live their lives?

                And OK - perhaps I am speculating regarding "quality" or what have you of upbringing (and the arts and wardrobe or what have you was meant as a joke - of course its stereotypical - isn't that what humour is often about? See i'm not totally PC now am I?) - but my points regarding adoptive parents are certainly valid - sure you can always have some nutball that gets through the cracks - but for the most poart these people are quite put to the test and are seveerely screened.

                I have Armenian relatives who have adopted (non-Armenian) children - along with their biological children - and its funny to see these light skinned - blue eyed etc "Armenians" who speak Armenian, do the dances and so on and so forth (heck they probably are pressured by their folks to marry "another" Armenian - lol

                I've also had two people who work for me adopt babies in Russia in the last few years - in fact one was the subject of a documentary produced by Discovery (Health) channel - may still even be running on occasion. As the crew followed her around for a while even prior to their going over - even at work a bit I was able to lobby them about doing several Armenian projects - such as the destruction of Armenain churches and culture in Turkey etc - the producer was already somewhat familiar with this as well as had some experiecne doing vid in Turkey as well as doing "rebel" (unauthorized video programs) - etc..so we will see - and perhaps I should follow up....

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by winoman
                  LambB - what of children of mixed race? What about handicaped children? These children often undergo emotional tramua or abuse by others - are you equally worried about them? Are you ready to "ban" or outlaw them as well - or whatever. My advice is to just mind your own business - don't we have enough to worry about taking care of our own s hit without having to worry about, complain about or dictate to others how to live their lives?
                  Yes I am equally worried about them but that's a different subject, although in the same vein. I was purely discussing this issue in terms of homosexual parents and their children. I would NEVER ban OR outlaw the ability for homosexual couples to adopt children even if I could, that's not my point. God knows it's a bazillion times better than foster care! I'm also not trying to dictate to ppl how they should live their lives I just think that perhaps the child or children should come first THEN political statements to the world.

                  Let's not kid ourselves either when (who was it) KD Lang and Melissa Etheridge were on the cover of Rolling Stone with phat arse David Crosby sitting there all around their child like "Look what we did! I dare you to say something!" ... If that were me as a child I would seriously be pissed that my family used me as a poster child for gay and lesbian rights when I was still incapable of speaking. Especially once I was old enough to understand what the hell they were actually doing on that cover. I mean if that's not using your child as a political statement then I don't know what is ...

                  Originally posted by winoman
                  And OK - perhaps I am speculating regarding "quality" or what have you of upbringing (and the arts and wardrobe or what have you was meant as a joke - of course its stereotypical - isn't that what humour is often about? See i'm not totally PC now am I?) - but my points regarding adoptive parents are certainly valid - sure you can always have some nutball that gets through the cracks - but for the most poart these people are quite put to the test and are seveerely screened.
                  Ok forgive me as one of our lovely resident *urks destroyed my "sarcasm-o-meter".

                  "Ewww a sarcasm-o-meter that's a reeeeaaally useful device!"

                  Yes adoption is very stringent for hopeful couples, but adoption isn't the only way for homosexual couples to have a baby. Do the other methods require such a rigid inspection before qualification? Perhaps if the adoption agency turns down a homosexual couple for being unstable then maybe they take the next (I'm sure more expensive) route of in vitro fertilization. At any rate I think ppl should have to have a bloody license to have children imo ... homosexual or not. Call me crazy but not everyone is right, or has earned the right, to raise children of their own. Hell allot of these same ppl aren't fit to adopt an animal from the ASPCA or Humane Society, but yet they attempt to raise children at the expense of the child unfortunately.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by winoman
                    Yeah just like some Turks try to explain how its impossible for Turks to be racist due to their mixed ethnic makeup - you try to weasle out of the fact that you are just a petty little know-nothing racist and hater. All can clearly see that you and the Turks are speaking BS for all it is worth. This issue has nothing to do with the J ews per se - its all about you - all about you - thats the way you like it isn't it? You have no real care for anything you spew about - its just all about you - and very much like the (many/most) Turks (asnd as a people) you have a severe self-image/self confidence issue that apparently you address by put downs of others and justifications for thinking of others as less then you etc. Well...
                    This is baseless tripe. Nothing more than the usual emotional banter from the woman.
                    Achkerov kute.

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                    • #50
                      This joke thread isn't very funny

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