Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Hagopn the occupy movement was not a marxist movement and yes it did try to do too much but everything it tried to address was valid particularly ending corruption in banking and wallstreet. We need more movements like it to wake people up and make better conditions for our children to live in. The "pathologically inclined dissidence" are often people who are planted among the protesters by the government to make the entire protest look invalid and extreemist. In Armenia this perhaps happens to but that government is far from refined to get away with it - as a matter of fact in Armenia the foreign agents are much more successful at doing these things then the government. Ok now we have drifted very far offtopic..

Hagopn's strange "Marxist" obsession makes a change from the usual. Usually here, when an argument is lost, the looser resorts to crying "Turk, Turk!" - with Hagopn it is "Marxist, Marxist!"

He checks under his bed for Reds every night.

Probably the early stages of the Occupy movement in America also originated with those concerned with environmental issues, but its concept, I bet, originated online: filling Habbo Hotel with cunningly-arranged, large-haired, dark-skinned gentlemen and similar delights. The pool was not closed due to Marxism.

Cartoon from 2001-2002 period.

[Haykakan]

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Aaahhh yes the teabaggers i happen to like some of them like Jessy Ventura but alas the inept halfwitts like Palin ruined it for them. I actually disagree with the economic theories of this clout but hmm where should we continue this conversation which is beginning to sound a like like the conversations i had with a guy called Armenian and i do believe you and i have delved into these topics before - i believe it was in the government thread a while back.

[hagopn]

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Hagopn the occupy movement was not a marxist movement

I disagree, AP and even NPR disagree with you.

and yes it did try to do too much but everything it tried to address was valid particularly ending corruption in banking and wallstreet.

Of course the reasons behind the movement were valid. I never said they were not. My intention, really, is to show that Marxism is very actively followed in the US, and, yes, the Occupy movements saw their beginnings with mainly Marxists. That is something I certain of.

We need more movements like it to wake people up and make better conditions for our children to live in.

I agree, but not from Marxists, but true grit grass roots organizers who are true to the needs of their fellow citizens and don't have this "globalist" agenda as the undertext.

The "pathologically inclined dissidence" are often people who are planted among the protesters by the government to make the entire protest look invalid and extreemist.

I agree there as well, and i think that was the plan to begin with during this wave of protests. The same cooptation was accomplished in the Tea Baggers who also started out as Constitutionalists, but were corrupted into at least appearing in the Mass Media as "racists," despite the large number of Black, Asian, Hispanic and other minority participation. I think the Tea Bagger was a more legitimate movement, but was taken over by neocon trash in order to discredit it.

In Armenia this perhaps happens to but that government is far from refined to get away with it - as a matter of fact in Armenia the foreign agents are much more successful at doing these things then the government. Ok now we have drifted very far offtopic..

Offtopic, perhaps, but, let me tell you, these agents come in many forms, and social engineering is the most effective weapon of destroying your enemy without firing a single shot, very Sun Tzu-esque. All you have to do is create an environment where no one wants to have children in stable families. The Manchurian Candidates that advocate a "diverse society", which usually translates to mixed marriages, immigration of foreign labor (without the actual need for it), onto a weakened, impoverished, and demoralized society that is being depopulated are just as hazardous as any Azerbaijani missile strike. This 'diversity" advocacy is even objected against by a formerly leftist (Marxist, really) politician in the person of Angela Merkel. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_765696.html

I consider the advocacy and careful indoctrination, a sort of "reverse **sensitivity training" of sorts, for Armenian with Armenian marriage into even the leftist fringes of Armenian society is as much a Sun Tzu-esque operation as any. Honestly, this is of course going to invite cats and rats into the conversation, but that is a risk I'm willing to take for this--

The bottom line is you cannot have an Armenian nation or future without Armenian children raised and socialized by two Armenian parents (and, if luckier, by their extended families). Single Armenian parents are a perhaps, at best, 1 in 1000 shot in raising a concerned and active member of the Armenian ethnos. The odds are in favor of the globalist.

**"Sensitivity training" is a term used by the public school system indoctrination specialists who advocate radical atheism, not merely agnosticism, as the paradigm in the US public schools. There is a huge scandal about this. This then opens the door for advocates of "sexual orientation education for kindergarteners" and so on. Even Armenian television in Los Angeles saw a public school district representative, a woman of Armenian "extraction", who was saying nothing less on Armenian television than "we need to explore the sexual orientation of our children starting at age 5." This created a lot of noise on the air, and eventually she got booted after a competent psychiatrist named Yervand Grigorian basically crushed the notion with his objections to "the serious dangers associated with the premature sexualization of children." It was quite the scene.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Hagopn the occupy movement was not a marxist movement and yes it did try to do too much but everything it tried to address was valid particularly ending corruption in banking and wallstreet. We need more movements like it to wake people up and make better conditions for our children to live in. The "pathologically inclined dissidence" are often people who are planted among the protesters by the government to make the entire protest look invalid and extreemist. In Armenia this perhaps happens to but that government is far from refined to get away with it - as a matter of fact in Armenia the foreign agents are much more successful at doing these things then the government. Ok now we have drifted very far offtopic..

[hagopn]

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Here we go again, the Mind Reading Clarevoyant Extraordinaire. "I'm sure, certain , that Hagopn woud have made fun of old ladies, children, hamsters, and would have surely killed kittens, not to mention walking on wheat grass."

The occupy movement originated in American society. The reason it was oppossed so violently was that it was aiming big.

It was violently suppressed because the Marxists tried to hit targets that they have been historically told not to touch--

In Armenia it has been smaller - so not so strongly opposed - and maybe more focused, limited to opposing minibus fare rises, oligarchs' kiosks, illegal developments by politicians and oligarchs, and park destructions and so on.

And which event or period are you talking about? "The People" are complaining that you are not being detailed.

And, like its equivalent in Turkey,

Here's the subliminal of Armeno-Turkic equalization that I have been talking about. "Equivalent in Turkey." No matter what topic comes up, "and then the Turks did the same thing." For example, let's say we're talking about installing lightbulbs. "Yes, the Armenians tend to screw that up as well. I remember this instance in Turkey, for example, where it literally took 10 men to screw in a lightbulb in Diyarbekir."

it originated in concerns over environmental destruction. I don't know if you made posts on those events, and if they were the typical posts of typical online Armenians (opposing anything positive done by others, supporting the church-state-criminal oligarchy that rules Armenia, and full of bile and personal insults). I'm sure Hagopn would have been making them if he had been around. Here it is always safe to assume the worst: it may not start out the worst but it will always end up at it.

The man has no idea what he is talking about. He keeps on repeating this drone about "Armenian posters supporting their church-state-criminal oligarchy", which in itself is nonsense, as Armenians typically are hypercritical of their leadership, and then creates this imaginary theoretical world centered around his delusions of "what would probably happen if this and if that." He reminds me of another sociopath from a while back.

No matter how one spins this, perhaps to their credit, but usually because they simply consist of pathologically inclined dissidence, Marxist associations from the various universities were at the forefront of the movement, and it only accelerated after a 60 Minutes broadcast on robosigning frauds, the forging of loan documents. Then it got a big boost, and the movement got big numbers to join them. Perhaps the character of the movement would have taken on a more and true grass roots form, but that obviously would scare the actual oligarchs in the US and the West in general.

[Haykakan]

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Yes Bell there is a grain of truth in your conclusion with the difference being it applies to you just as much as anyone else on this forum. You are as bad as the most racist poster here because like them you generalize and stereotype Armenians over and over again.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

The occupy movement is badly needed in American society and it is a shame that it is not more active. The fascist style laws which have been passed may have something to do with it being less active. I think you guys are drifting off topic here - perhaps opening another thread would be appropriate..

The occupy movement originated in American society. The reason it was oppossed so violently was that it was aiming big.

In Armenia it has been smaller - so not so strongly opposed - and maybe more focused, limited to opposing minibus fare rises, oligarchs' kiosks, illegal developments by politicians and oligarchs, and park destructions and so on. And, like its equivalent in Turkey, it originated in concerns over environmental destruction. I don't know if you made posts on those events, and if they were the typical posts of typical online Armenians (opposing anything positive done by others, supporting the church-state-criminal oligarchy that rules Armenia, and full of bile and personal insults). I'm sure Hagopn would have been making them if he had been around. Here it is always safe to assume the worst: it may not start out the worst but it will always end up at it.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

The occupy movement is badly needed in American society and it is a shame that it is not more active. The fascist style laws which have been passed may have something to do with it being less active. I think you guys are drifting off topic here - perhaps opening another thread would be appropriate..

[hagopn]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Quote Originally Posted by Mher View Post
no it doesn't, that's your liberal interpretation of it. There's no reason why your slippery slope argument has to be true. There's no reason you cannot have a reasonably conservative society like America and Western Europe had in its past without slipping into Saudi Arabia. There is much more respect for woman in that society than in modern Western Society that leads to the degrading of the nuclear family

This above by Mher is actually a very reasonable statement.

Below, however, the kaleidoscopic engine called bell-the-cat, transforms it into something entirely different.

Of course part of your idea of what a "respectful and conservative nationality and culture" does is to never ask women what they want - so it would never enter your head to ask any woman whether they think your alleged paradise of "a reasonably conservative society like America and Western Europe had in its past" would have been any paradise for them. Bigots like you - whether in Armenia or Saudi Arabia or Greece or anywhere, always seem to think "respect" means enforcing their will over others and telling others what they cannot do. I wonder what dictionary you use, an opposite-of-actual-meaning dictionary?

Oh, "of course," sure, "yeah, "wink, wink." "We know what you really mean, wink wink." "When you say nuclear family, you really mean burkas and acid in the face."

This fellow is simply incredible; funny in a butt-of-the-joke sort of way, but quite the muse.

[hagopn]

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You really think Zabel Yesayan was respected?

Yes. There is no reason to think otherwise.

Get yourself to Afghanistan - you will be at home there: an extreme patriarchal society to your liking, and the women there just love it too! You will love their future president - his manifesto bans women studying engineering because because he thinks womens brains are not designed for heavy thinking and ther bodies not designed for lifting things.

Evoking extreme examples to discredit legitimate models is nothing new to this fellow. Armenian society has not been, and cannot be, anything of the sort. This reads like the typical ignorant bigot who still think camels are roaming Yerevan, and perhaps that is the fellow's goal.

But what a strange world view you hold. In it, do dinosaurs still roam the earth? Dinosaurs and Marxists and ultra-leftists and similar extinct creatures.

Note the usage of exaggerated comparisons as a form of ridicule, the comparison of Marxism, an ideology that is alive and well in many countries and institutions, with dinosaurs. In fact, Marxists often deny their associations when running for office in this exact same manner. Here the man denies that western Marxism exists and that Marxist mentality is among the overall leftism that permeates "liberalism" of today. There is no such thing as "liberalism" that is in fact free of leftist, therefore also Marxist perhaps as a subset, perhaps not, thought. One only has to visit any given "anti-nationalist" site and see that the principal inspiration is from Marx or other Marxist figures such as Che Guevara.

I think the last living real "Marxist" will be some elderly Frenchman in a care home for retired philosophers! But we are still more likely to see a real live Marxist than a female online Armenian - so there won't be any around to contest your "Conservatism is something women prefer" claim. I guess conservatism includes keeping them off the internet.

More fuzzy nonsense under the pretense of factual statements: "French janitor cleaning toilets for old philosophers" and so on. Marxism is increasingly popular among the younger university students, and Che Guevara is more popular than ever before. In fact, the entire "Occupy Wall Street" movement and its offshoots have roots in Marxist associations in these very universities.

It is a fact that women, in the west as well as it is becoming evident, prefer conservatism due to the balance and stability it offers. The trend of "coming out" on this topic perhaps started with Taylor Caldwell in the 1970s, but took a pivotal leap with Danielle Crittenden in the 1990s. Hardly are these women advocating the silly English model, the "women are trophies" Victorianism, and the ARmenians, interestingly, were ahead of the west with our own Zabel Yessayan, about whom Mr Fuzzy Bash The Nationalist probably knows little if nothing about.

Here is an interesting article on Caldwell, but, as things go, the LA Times reporter was also a bell-the-catt "bash the conservative with half-truths" sort: http://articles.latimes.com/1985-09-...rcial-artist/2

Here's Crittenden's original opus that made a lot of waves and changed priorities for millions of women, back to conservatism, but with an interesting balance that the Brits in their Victorian heydey couldn't figure out: i.e. Something that ARmenians always knew, that women can participate fully, hence the women's vote in 1918 Armenia: http://www.amazon.com/WHAT-OUR-MOTHE.../dp/0684859599

But, then again, hardly does this man above intend to be honest in anything he writes.

Now where was it that a law was proposed obliging women visiting internet cafes to be accompanied by a male who would supervise their online activities? Turkey?

Here, we are reminded again with the implication that anything a nationalist conservative says is "equal to and must be associated with Turkey."

it is a rather annoying tick, almost like picking one's nose.