Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl
The overall level of understanding of the problem in this forum, this thread, is impressive. I wasn't expecting there to be such genuine nationalist concerns among English speakers. Good for you (at least most of you)!
Indeed, the identity game is a percentage and numbers game. Armenians in general are actually pretty good about accepting mixed marriages, considering that we're dealing with a culture who is conscious of its small population, its violent history of losing a huge chunk of its population in only relatively recent times.
What I find revolting, really, is when the ones who marry outside the nation are touted as "heroes" for some oddball reason. They are not heroes. Villains, they of course are not as well, and hopefully all find their happiness somewhere. But heroes? "Oh, you're so brave! Don't listen to your parents! THey're evil! You must be so courageous to do that in Gyumri" etc. Nonsense!
If there is anyone who deserves to be considered heroic, it is the one that tries to maintain his ancestry and pass it on. Considering that the entire mainstream of thought is to assimilate and "bleed into one", like Bono's song keeps on droning about, then indeed the heroes, the ones currently going against the grain are the ones who are maintaining their national/cultural identities.
The rest, truly, are just average people, falling in love, and then mostly divorcing, and so on. The ones who have a greater purpose than their own egoes in the marriage, see the marriage as a partnership, as something to build upon and pass on.
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Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl
of course it'd be nice for Armos to only marry Armos, but sometimes this is difficult especially in the Diaspora communities that are very small where sometimes there are only a few "eligible" armos to pick from... a person should not have to go a nation wide search (ayf & acyoa sports weekends, the armenian cruise, etc) or go to another country just to finds someone to date let alone marry.
Odars can also successfully be brought into the community, I know of a few mixed marriages where the kids and even the odar spouse speak armenian, go to armenian church etc, not saying it happens every time, it just depends on how adamant the Armenian in the marriage is about keeping things Armenian. And yes the odar will never truly be an "Armenian" but after a while the other Armenians of the community will get used to them
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Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl
Originally posted by Mher View Postlol no there aren't that many russians here, but I'm sure they would if there was russian girls here. in general armenian men seem to love russian girls.
dont get me wrong, I love them for certain reasons toobut not marrying
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Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl
Originally posted by Arsen View Postomg are russian girls marry on armenian boys in LA too?
lol no there aren't that many russians here, but I'm sure they would if there was russian girls here. in general armenian men seem to love russian girls.
dont get me wrong, I love them for certain reasons toobut not marrying
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Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl
Originally posted by Arsen View Postomg are russian girls marry on armenian boys in LA too?Originally posted by Artashes View PostOMG, are you asking if their dks get hard when they see a pretty face & a nice set of..
Is this what your confused about?
OMG
Artashes
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Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl
Originally posted by Mher View PostI agree with everything, but with one addition:
This should go both ways. There is a disgusting fascination with Russian women among Armenian men. It does as much damage as Armenian women marrying another race.
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Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl
Originally posted by Arsen View Postmy opinion
just need keep high birth rate and respect our language, our orinaks, our people!
Im really surprising when some armenian father giving his daughter to other race boy. It is incredibly! Shok for me. Sorry ladies who married other race boys.Originally posted by Siggie View PostYou think maybe part of the problem is that you think the daughter is property to be given?Originally posted by Artashes View PostSig's point is well taken. It's actually the fathers (mom too) place to raise a RESPONSIBLE child. One who is deserving of respect. The parents (both) cannot think for their adult children. But rather teach the children how to think and make decisions for themselves.
As to the comment "we need to keep the birth rate high". Gotta disagree. That to me is a terrible reason to have a child.
Also, if we can't afford at this time to properly take care of the children we have (not to mention the rest of the population) well I think you can fill in the rest of that sentence.
Also, you might consider this... Our planet now has over 7 billion people. That's not sustainable. Armenia is one of the very few countries that is not overcrowded (that's a plus, not a negative).
We actually are not short on Armenians. It's just that most have been scattered to the wind.
We are in a incredibly tough position, but in my opinion having babies or bring babies into this world as fast as we can is a rather selfish thing to do. That's the kind of thing a kurd or turk would do without blinking an eye. Let us not be like them but rather strive to be decent human beings. We are after all Armenians.
ArtashesOriginally posted by Mher View PostI agree with everything, but with one addition:
This should go both ways. There is a disgusting fascination with Russian women among Armenian men. It does as much damage as Armenian women marrying another race.
I think instead of trying to bring as many babies as we can into this troubled world & troubled Armenia as an attempt at solving the problems we face is a sad reason to want a child (really sad). Please read my above post.
I think I understand the motivation for wanting to "keep the birth rate high" but think that's a great disservice to the children & a poor reason to want children.
I think it's far better to appeal to the capable adult diaspora to solve the problems of... Larger armed forces, more fresh capital & positive ideas, stronger workforce & more innovation.
To have children when your not ready is irresponsible in my opinion. If your playing hell trying to feed yourself & keep a roof over your head & and a pot to piss in, well might not be the right time to have children. That's the predicament our country is in right now. Far better to bring the capable men and women in to do the job than babies.
The Armenian diaspora is not short on successful adults.
The question is... How can we convince ourselves to come together again. We were scattered by evil, we need to coalesce.
Critic my post above and tell me what you find wrong & please have some compassion for the uncared for children that are with us before going into high birth rate mode.
Also , just last year had a knockout Russian cutie put the move on me. She was a sweet girl & not a bad girl so I could not bring myself to spank. We don't need every last Armenian that is alive today. Just a relatively modest number will work.
A few good men and women so to speak.
On armo's men finding Russian beauties interesting... Don't begrudge a man for being a man. They do have some hot chicks dude.
Still , I understand you care for the homeland.
Artashes
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Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl
Originally posted by Arsen View Postmy opinion
just need keep high birth rate and respect our language, our orinaks, our people!
Im really surprising when some armenian father giving his daughter to other race boy. It is incredibly! Shok for me. Sorry ladies who married other race boys.
This should go both ways. There is a disgusting fascination with Russian women among Armenian men. It does as much damage as Armenian women marrying another race.
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Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl
Originally posted by bell-the-cat View PostI think that should actually be: "Because most probably, when you marry in Armenia, the chances of your kids growing up in Armenia, or your family never moving from Armenia are much MUCH less".
Even a population full of Arsen's baby-producing-machineswon't solve that problem.
what happened? you had gone away for two weeks
I thought the Chemo had finally killed you for good
but once again, you manage to survive
You are honestly a disease the likes of which this world has never seen. I really don't understand what your point in existence really is. You're here to spread your cancer, and I don't know why the moderators of this forum let it go on. I don't understand how they don't realize how much worse you make this forum, how much you throw off conversations, how many people you turn away, because at least unlike our liberal Armenians who in their confused state think they're at least making Armenia better, you are just here to sh!t on everything. I don't know, maybe your life is so sad that it gives you some satisfaction in knowing there are other people out there even remotely as sad as you, even if just for a second. You simply attempt to criticize everything, not to hope for a change for the better, but just to have criticized.
You have dedicated your pathetic existence to a place thousands of miles away that is full of people who would laugh at your strange existence if they knew you. They wouldn't hate you. they would just laugh at your idiotic existence, because that's all you're worthy of.
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