Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Yes Bell there is a grain of truth in your conclusion with the difference being it applies to you just as much as anyone else on this forum. You are as bad as the most racist poster here because like them you generalize and stereotype Armenians over and over again.

[hagopn]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Here we go again, the Mind Reading Clarevoyant Extraordinaire. "I'm sure, certain , that Hagopn woud have made fun of old ladies, children, hamsters, and would have surely killed kittens, not to mention walking on wheat grass."

The occupy movement originated in American society. The reason it was oppossed so violently was that it was aiming big.

It was violently suppressed because the Marxists tried to hit targets that they have been historically told not to touch--

In Armenia it has been smaller - so not so strongly opposed - and maybe more focused, limited to opposing minibus fare rises, oligarchs' kiosks, illegal developments by politicians and oligarchs, and park destructions and so on.

And which event or period are you talking about? "The People" are complaining that you are not being detailed.

And, like its equivalent in Turkey,

Here's the subliminal of Armeno-Turkic equalization that I have been talking about. "Equivalent in Turkey." No matter what topic comes up, "and then the Turks did the same thing." For example, let's say we're talking about installing lightbulbs. "Yes, the Armenians tend to screw that up as well. I remember this instance in Turkey, for example, where it literally took 10 men to screw in a lightbulb in Diyarbekir."

it originated in concerns over environmental destruction. I don't know if you made posts on those events, and if they were the typical posts of typical online Armenians (opposing anything positive done by others, supporting the church-state-criminal oligarchy that rules Armenia, and full of bile and personal insults). I'm sure Hagopn would have been making them if he had been around. Here it is always safe to assume the worst: it may not start out the worst but it will always end up at it.

The man has no idea what he is talking about. He keeps on repeating this drone about "Armenian posters supporting their church-state-criminal oligarchy", which in itself is nonsense, as Armenians typically are hypercritical of their leadership, and then creates this imaginary theoretical world centered around his delusions of "what would probably happen if this and if that." He reminds me of another sociopath from a while back.

No matter how one spins this, perhaps to their credit, but usually because they simply consist of pathologically inclined dissidence, Marxist associations from the various universities were at the forefront of the movement, and it only accelerated after a 60 Minutes broadcast on robosigning frauds, the forging of loan documents. Then it got a big boost, and the movement got big numbers to join them. Perhaps the character of the movement would have taken on a more and true grass roots form, but that obviously would scare the actual oligarchs in the US and the West in general.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Hagopn the occupy movement was not a marxist movement and yes it did try to do too much but everything it tried to address was valid particularly ending corruption in banking and wallstreet. We need more movements like it to wake people up and make better conditions for our children to live in. The "pathologically inclined dissidence" are often people who are planted among the protesters by the government to make the entire protest look invalid and extreemist. In Armenia this perhaps happens to but that government is far from refined to get away with it - as a matter of fact in Armenia the foreign agents are much more successful at doing these things then the government. Ok now we have drifted very far offtopic..

[hagopn]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Hagopn the occupy movement was not a marxist movement

I disagree, AP and even NPR disagree with you.

and yes it did try to do too much but everything it tried to address was valid particularly ending corruption in banking and wallstreet.

Of course the reasons behind the movement were valid. I never said they were not. My intention, really, is to show that Marxism is very actively followed in the US, and, yes, the Occupy movements saw their beginnings with mainly Marxists. That is something I certain of.

We need more movements like it to wake people up and make better conditions for our children to live in.

I agree, but not from Marxists, but true grit grass roots organizers who are true to the needs of their fellow citizens and don't have this "globalist" agenda as the undertext.

The "pathologically inclined dissidence" are often people who are planted among the protesters by the government to make the entire protest look invalid and extreemist.

I agree there as well, and i think that was the plan to begin with during this wave of protests. The same cooptation was accomplished in the Tea Baggers who also started out as Constitutionalists, but were corrupted into at least appearing in the Mass Media as "racists," despite the large number of Black, Asian, Hispanic and other minority participation. I think the Tea Bagger was a more legitimate movement, but was taken over by neocon trash in order to discredit it.

In Armenia this perhaps happens to but that government is far from refined to get away with it - as a matter of fact in Armenia the foreign agents are much more successful at doing these things then the government. Ok now we have drifted very far offtopic..

Offtopic, perhaps, but, let me tell you, these agents come in many forms, and social engineering is the most effective weapon of destroying your enemy without firing a single shot, very Sun Tzu-esque. All you have to do is create an environment where no one wants to have children in stable families. The Manchurian Candidates that advocate a "diverse society", which usually translates to mixed marriages, immigration of foreign labor (without the actual need for it), onto a weakened, impoverished, and demoralized society that is being depopulated are just as hazardous as any Azerbaijani missile strike. This 'diversity" advocacy is even objected against by a formerly leftist (Marxist, really) politician in the person of Angela Merkel. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_765696.html

I consider the advocacy and careful indoctrination, a sort of "reverse **sensitivity training" of sorts, for Armenian with Armenian marriage into even the leftist fringes of Armenian society is as much a Sun Tzu-esque operation as any. Honestly, this is of course going to invite cats and rats into the conversation, but that is a risk I'm willing to take for this--

The bottom line is you cannot have an Armenian nation or future without Armenian children raised and socialized by two Armenian parents (and, if luckier, by their extended families). Single Armenian parents are a perhaps, at best, 1 in 1000 shot in raising a concerned and active member of the Armenian ethnos. The odds are in favor of the globalist.

**"Sensitivity training" is a term used by the public school system indoctrination specialists who advocate radical atheism, not merely agnosticism, as the paradigm in the US public schools. There is a huge scandal about this. This then opens the door for advocates of "sexual orientation education for kindergarteners" and so on. Even Armenian television in Los Angeles saw a public school district representative, a woman of Armenian "extraction", who was saying nothing less on Armenian television than "we need to explore the sexual orientation of our children starting at age 5." This created a lot of noise on the air, and eventually she got booted after a competent psychiatrist named Yervand Grigorian basically crushed the notion with his objections to "the serious dangers associated with the premature sexualization of children." It was quite the scene.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Aaahhh yes the teabaggers i happen to like some of them like Jessy Ventura but alas the inept halfwitts like Palin ruined it for them. I actually disagree with the economic theories of this clout but hmm where should we continue this conversation which is beginning to sound a like like the conversations i had with a guy called Armenian and i do believe you and i have delved into these topics before - i believe it was in the government thread a while back.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Hagopn the occupy movement was not a marxist movement and yes it did try to do too much but everything it tried to address was valid particularly ending corruption in banking and wallstreet. We need more movements like it to wake people up and make better conditions for our children to live in. The "pathologically inclined dissidence" are often people who are planted among the protesters by the government to make the entire protest look invalid and extreemist. In Armenia this perhaps happens to but that government is far from refined to get away with it - as a matter of fact in Armenia the foreign agents are much more successful at doing these things then the government. Ok now we have drifted very far offtopic..

Hagopn's strange "Marxist" obsession makes a change from the usual. Usually here, when an argument is lost, the looser resorts to crying "Turk, Turk!" - with Hagopn it is "Marxist, Marxist!"

He checks under his bed for Reds every night.

Probably the early stages of the Occupy movement in America also originated with those concerned with environmental issues, but its concept, I bet, originated online: filling Habbo Hotel with cunningly-arranged, large-haired, dark-skinned gentlemen and similar delights. The pool was not closed due to Marxism.

Cartoon from 2001-2002 period.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

a guy called Armenian

Wasn't he called "The Armenian"? He felt himself more superior to even the average "Superior Armenian" (by "Superior Armenian" I mean the types who like to pontificate about how Armenians should behave in order to be "true" Armenians, and how Armenia is heading towards extinction if all Armenians don't follow that advice) - so he made himself the Singular Armenian. Then he left, or was banned, or retired to a cave in Afghanistan.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Wasn't he called "The Armenian"? He felt himself more superior to even the average "Superior Armenian" (meaning the types who like to pontificate about how Armenians should behave in order to be "true" Armenians, and how Armenia is heading towards extinction if they don't), so he made himself into the Singular Armenian. Then he left, or was banned, or retired to a cave in Afghanistan.

Nah i disagree. I read his writings they are mainly aimed at the strategic/political situation Armenia faces and what it should do in this regard. He is knowledgeable and cares deeply about Armenia and her people. I do not remember him actin superior but some of his writings had hints of racial superiority which i think is destructive to any ones credibility. There is a difference between being proud of your people and culture vs being a racist/superior person. I am afraid the line between these two is breached too often by many Armenians but this is hardly a "Armenian issue" because it exists in every society.

[hagopn]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Hagopn's strange "Marxist" obsession makes a change from the usual. Usually here, when an argument is lost, the looser resorts to crying "Turk, Turk!" - with Hagopn it is "Marxist, Marxist!"

He checks under his bed for Reds every night.

Probably the early stages of the Occupy movement in America also originated with those concerned with environmental issues, but its concept, I bet, originated online: filling Habbo Hotel with cunningly-arranged, large-haired, dark-skinned gentlemen and similar delights. The pool was not closed due to Marxism.

Cartoon from 2001-2002 period.

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When Steve Sim above loses an argument, he declares that the other party lost the argument. He then argues the points he lost with ridicule. Sim has yet to prove that Marxists are Dinosaurs, aside from his anecdotal opinions such as "the French chef who cooks for decrepit marxist philosphers" and so on.

This is indeed not a challenge. I wish there was a more challenging muse, but this is not one of them. This fellow is not even interesting anymore.

[hagopn]

Re: Armenian with a not-Armenian girl

Aaahhh yes the teabaggers i happen to like some of them like Jessy Ventura but alas the inept halfwitts like Palin ruined it for them. I actually disagree with the economic theories of this clout but hmm where should we continue this conversation which is beginning to sound a like like the conversations i had with a guy called Armenian and i do believe you and i have delved into these topics before - i believe it was in the government thread a while back.

We did talk about it in government. We didn't have much chance to hear the Tea Baggers, at least unfiltered by the Mass Media out to Bag them. What I have heard at the beginning of the movement was a call for less government, accountability for the Fed, and so on. After watching the bailout fiasco, accountability of the Fed became something of a hot topic, something which I agree with. Some of it was much too libertarian in character for my taste, such as the complete elimination of any social safety nets including subsidized medical care for the disabled and elderly - which they insist the private charity system would do better in - and so on.

Anyway, conservatives are the actual liberals, and there was an author who observed and wrote about this phenomenon. I think it was entitled "How The Left Hijacked Liberalism." http://rubinreports.blogspot.com/201...0110724wh.html

It does have bearing on social engineering, since all of the power is in the hands of the statist Left under the rubric of Liberalism.