Interracial Relationships.

[hyebruin]

of course you marrying a non armenian wouldn't matter as far as you staying armenian..but it has a heck of a lot of impact on the kids...no one can disagree with that...cuz that's the truth like it or not... the kids have a choice now! to pick the armenian branch or the 'other'

[gevo]

Well. to be perfectly correct, since we are attempting that in this thread.. it makes no sense then to save the diaspora.. but more so if you were to say "populate" armenia.. with more Armenians, plus thos from the diaspora.. but we all have our good reasons for being in the diaspora..

[HyeJinx1984]

there, in the midst of the deeply rooted Hyegaganutuin that is South Cali, where being Armenian means everything to decendants of our nationality, where everyone speaks, reads, and writes in Armenian, attends Armenian schooling and camps, celebrates all the holidays, marries within the IAN/YANs to breed more children that will eat, sleep, and breath our heritage, there is an upauling and alarming amount of speakers of butchered forms of our language (slang), Armenian wiggers who show hatred towards different "types" of Armos (while showing "much love" for da brothas), a lack of knowledge about our history and ancestory, a lack of interest in adding significance in the arts for our people, etc. We show our pride by dressing like blacks and calling each other nigga', while were waving the Armenian flags and yelling "Armenian pride". We show our pride by paying for our meals with food stamps, yet somehow managing to drive a Mercedes. We show our pride by trying to upstage our fellow Armenian neighbor in material possessions WORSE than "Americans" do (AKA Keeping up with the Gevorgians).

Now does this apply to all of So Cal? Of course not! I never claimed this. But my point was, over there were it's so important to marry within the nationality to keep the culture alive, why have things gone so horribly wrong? Why are there children born to 100% Armos who don't seem to grasp what our culture and history is about? Why are so many of them such total crap? This was supposed to be the main defense/reason for marrying within culture. But as you can see, it has failed miserably, thus supporting my argument that marrying an Armenian in no way secures the "keeping of the heritage". As I tried to explain over and over again, we are in America. Try as you may, you can't survive in someone else's country without adapting the majority of its ways. And after several generations of gradual soaking in, weather you marry an Armenian or not, it will eventually saturate you, and take almost complete control. I wish this wasn't the way things were, but it is the reality of the situation, like it or not.

Well, all I can do is offer my opinion. Most ADULT Armenians I know out here are very knowledgable about Armenian Culture and History and speak fluently. But I suppose it's the younger generation you're having problems with. I went to Grant High School.. the armo-ist highschool on the planet. And yes, I did notice a lot of emulating "urban" styles in dress and behavior that is mostly pushed through Rap music. But then I was thinking... I've seen pictures of my Mom and Dad in America when they were around my age and they were dressing for the times and speaking the slang and stuff too. I can't help but I think you're just accusing young Armenians of being into current Pop Culture. It's something everyone does... it's not like we're doing it more or less than anyone else. And like all pop culture fad followers... people grow out of it. Now am I saying at age 30 all these Rabiz class mates of mine are gonna become scholars on Armenian culture and history? No, but then again neither are any of us. I look at myself as something of an accomplishment... I'll be honest, I pretty much down right hated being Armenian at one point in my life and even considered changing my name when I was old enough. This will sound really ridiculous, but for godsakes, I wanted to have blonde dreadlocks at one point....... it don't get any less Armo then that. I'm not very active in the Armenian community, mostly due to so many other obligations that hopefully in the long run will benefit the Armenian Community, but on a personal level I've grown very much and connected with my inner-armo a lot since getting out of highschool... and I'm not even 20 yet. All I'm saying is that you may be just a little hard on people who are just trying to fit in in a very superficial country. However at the same time, I think it's that fear that keeps us going... if we get too laxed and have nothing to b!tch about, then we may start loosing the culture, but as long as we're on everyone's ass about it, then we're doing a good job.

Another problem is that there isn't really a lot of sources on Armenian history. For example, I've always heard about "The Armenian tribes" and I wanted to learn more. I couldn't find any books on it... so I figured you guys probably have more knowledge on the subject than me so I started a thread to see if you guys had any info.. nope, no one really responded with any facts or information. That's just one example... we need more books that just detail our history, from begining to now, something we can read through and be like "Wow, I leaned about two thousand years of heritage"... I mean, how can I forget my roots? I don't know what they are... and no one's teaching me.

[sad_eyes]

I am for them...

Personally, I have been in several relationships with individuals of another race (mainly armenian). I can completetly understand the stress and problems of these relationships due to the lack of understanding in each others cutlures. However, I am for interracial dating because not only does it give you an opportunity to learn more about another culture, it allows yourself to experiance it as well. I am ashamed to admit this, it is quite embarassing but I have never even heard of Armenia until I started dating an armenian man. With time I have grown to learn about the culture, its people and find it extreamly attractive. I now speak a decent amount of armenian and am well informed of its culture and tranditions and ways.

[loseyourname]

You found Armenians to date in the Northwest Territories?

[sad_eyes]

haha...

Umm, I never found them, they found me. Yes, they arrived from Armenia 3 years ago for the diamond polishing plants here. Good guys, great people/

[Anonymouse]

Yeah, and this type of reasoning "makes my nerves go upside down". HELLOOOOOOOOO. The reason we have different nations and languages is because MAN MADE IT THAT WAY, NOT NATURE!!! Nature made nationanilities? Could you possible make a more ignorant comment??? Man made up nationalities for the sake of labeling and filing people into categories, you brainwashed non-sensicle nationalists!!!! I have to say it again, if you're that ethnocentric, then you belong in Armenian. Not France, not Brazil, not Australia, and ESPECIALLY not America, but Armenia. I ask again, how do you intend on securing your "way of life" in someone else's country, a nation where your people haven't even been heard of? Those that came over here have already made the choice to loose a lot of their "Armenianess" by moving somewhere else to survive, and now they're trying to eliviate that guilt by saying "ohhh, well....ummmm.....well the burden is on you now. You have to marry an Armenian! Yeah, that's it! That'll fix my selfish mistake!" Nice try, but you already sold out the day you decided to move here. See, no where outside of south Cali would you have a place to speak Armenian outside of you immediate family, even if you DID marry an Armenian. Two Americanized people with IAN/YAN at the end of their last name isn't going to save your heritage. The truth hurts, don't it?

This is the sort of bromide that I cannot stand. I was banned for somehow using profanity and "yelling", yet this is tolerable simply because of viewpoints and moderator bias, and I wouldn't be surprised if this post is edited. It seems viewpoints that take on a controversial or traditional or conservative stance are not encouraged nor tolerated and those whom we agree with are to be lauded. Meanwhile the brunt of this post is simply hogwash, and I'm surprised at some of the apathy displayed by the Armenians here. If you don't like to preserve your heritage or culture, why do you even bother with calling yourself such? Simply leave, change your name, change your ways, since Armenians seems to be really good at it. In all honesty, Armenians like that are better off not calling themselves such. I'd rather contribute such people to the genotypes of others as opposed to my own.

And now to the nonsense such as "man made up nationalities". Biology existed before man "made things up", so genotypes and blood types speak to us louder and clearer than some supposed "social construct", that Marxists, leftists, egalitarians, and others rant about incessantly. Nationalities are political, as the case of Cuba or anyone else can show, but races and racial differences are biological and nothing is "made up".

It is precisely nature that made the differing peoples which produce differing cultures and only idiots would think otherwise. I believe that insult is justified since you were allowed to insult and get away with it, by the powers that be in the ivory tower.

Why is it assumed that somehow by "coming here" we have ipso facto chosen to give up our heritage because Armenia is not liveable? Armenians for most of their history have been living on lands other than what one would call "Armenian", were they justified in giving up their heritage? By your logic Armenians shouldn't have even survived. I think you display a gross misunderstanding of history and biology and simply parrot nonsense to appeal to your own ignorance. What justifies such silly assumptions? It's strange that you mention Brazil because it's a prime example of what multiculturalism leads to. Brazil is by far one of the most mixed raced multicultural country's full of slums and the highest crime in the world. France is getting there slowly but surely by filling its country to North Africans, blacks, and Muslims other non-nationals.

Now if people want to satisfy some hidden interracial sexual fantasies, fine, but don't bring up silly excuses of how dating other races or cultures is good because you get to "learn about them". That is one of the stupidest reasons why anyone should date or marry another race. I would far more agree with the not so sillier argument of "we couldn't help falling in love" than the sillier one of "I got a chance to learn about other cultures". If you want to learn about other cultures open a book or encyclopedia, or travel.

Lastly, the truth hurts, don't it?

[gevo]

If you want to learn about other cultures open a book or encyclopedia, or travel.

Or go and marry a girl that lives in a different culture.. far away.. i feel that would be the best way.. and if she was armo.. thats a plus..

[spiral]

Or go and marry a girl that lives in a different culture.. far away.. i feel that would be the best way.. and if she was armo.. thats a plus..

I assume you only read the last sentence?

[hyebruin]

I assume you only read the last sentence?

you assume too much!!


haaaa..i always wanted to say that! not just with you per se, but with all who have taken 'assumption' as an active form of hobby