Interracial Relationships.

[Genuine_Stud]

WOW. This thread is like a chatroom, except with proper grammar and capitaliziation. Every minute there's a post, untl you get to page 5. haha. I guess I'll just add a post on how I see this.

Yes, my parents dissaprove of interracial relationships but that is not the main reason why I will not date anyone outside of my race or ethnicity. One of the reasons is tradition and culture. Yes, a lot of couples compromise, but I don't want that. I am an Armenian girl and follow most of Armenian traditions. Being with a non Armenian who does not know Armenian customs and traditions is out of the question. Compromise may be done, but I don't want 50/50. As just for dating, well, getting attached to a non Armenian is not only pointless, but hurtful too.

This doesn't make sense. Why date someone if you're going to have to break it off with them sooner or later? Think of the other person in the relationship.

I missed that mistake. I meant to write that this was my motto before. I don't follow that same motto now.

Didn't you read the other things I wrote in the same post?

[SagGal]

I missed that mistake. I meant to write that this was my motto before. I don't follow that same motto now.

Didn't you read the other things I wrote in the same post?

I did read it and when I quoted you, I wasn't talking directly to you. I was just arguing that line in general because a lot of people think this,

Date whichever race you want but marry an Armenian.

[Anonymouse]

I think what he meant to say is "Do whomever you want, but marry an Armenian."

I would never be with a girl who has been with a Asian, black or mestizo. I will perhaps have sex with them, but never marry them.

[Anonymouse]

We're not lab rabbits trying to populate the world with Armenians. You can't say whoops, sorry, I can't marry you even though I love you because I was born Armenian and there is a big book of rules that says every Armenian must marry an Armenian and have 5 kids. Some people, by chance, meet and fall in Love with people who aren't Armenian.

Where did I claim that this was not possible? You are spouting regurgitated nonsense that has already been dealt with and addressed and such exceptions have always existed, blaming their self-indulgence chasing wild interracial fantasies on "love" or some such thing, when it is quite possible to control it. The excuse that "You couldn't help but fall in love" is teetering on the brink of idiocy because love like anything else is controllable. We are not animals that move upon pure whim and emotion that are slaves to "love" like in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, but can and do use reason, control, and restraint. The whole "fall in love" is entirely exaggerated, nevermind literally insane.

This does not in any way diminish their 'Armenian conscience' or 'Armeniannes'. This makes them human and vulnerable to falling in love no holds barred, no rules, no restrictions. The difference between you and I, Mouse, is that while, just like you, I AM going to marry an Armenian and financial situation willing I AM going to have at least 3 kids, I would NEVER judge someone because they didn't do that or follow that same path. You are too judgemental. I'd be curious to see the day you fall in love with someone who is not Armenian, which, mind you, can happen even if you take every precaution against it.

When did anyone state that they are not human because they are mixed? The difference between you and I, is that I do not support the mescegenation of our commonfolk with every genotype. I would never fall in love with a non-Armenian because I have control over who I fall in love with. We have discussed this before on the forum, and I have already mentioned that I had several chances to date non-Armenians and allow for love to come and sweep me but I did not give, instead I chose not to pursue. Only idiots can blame emotions and "love" for what is initially their lack of self-control and discipline. And if that makes me a hater, racist, judgemental xenophobe, then I do not care.

[Anonymouse]

And for the record, I am not here to convince you or anyone else to marry or date an Armenian. In fact, God forbid I try to convince girls who prefer the ranging color spectrum to only stick with one color. I will most likely not have anything to do with girls like that. I could not care what you or anyone else did with your time, tastes or preferences as they are entirely yours. That desire can only come from within, not without. I am only stating my take on this.

[ckBejug]

And for the record, I am not here to convince you or anyone else to marry or date an Armenian. In fact, God forbid I try to convince girls who prefer the ranging color spectrum to only stick with one color. I will most likely not have anything to do with girls like that. I could not care what you or anyone else did with your time, tastes or preferences as they are entirely yours. That desire can only come from within, not without. I am only stating my take on this.

No one said you were trying to convince me to change my preferences. Thank you for stating the obvious when you said that everything you said before is merely your opinion and not something you'd ever hold anyone else to. Well, who else's opinion would it be? Nor did I ever state anywhere that I personally prefer to go out with everyone on the 'spectrum' as you so eloquently put it. I've only ever dated Armenian guys and continue to do so. My point is that you are judging people because they married someone who is not Armenian and you admit that you would never date a girl who went out with someone who wasn't Armenian. Coming from someone who seems to be pretty intelligent and well-learned, at the very least, that is the most narrow-minded point of view I've ever heard. You're right, it is YOUR opinion and YOUR right to do whatever you please with YOUR life. You mistake conversation and back-and-forth with personal attacks and resort to the common 'well it's my opinion and God forbid I try to convince you of something blah blah blah' and 'oh that's just an exception.' You are also of the opinion that women are inferior to men and many other misguided, decidely chauvenist ideas. However, I still consider everything you say and take part in conversations with you without dismissing your every post, position, and opinion with a simple 'well whatever that's an exception' or 'I don't care what you or anyone else does'! and just as whatever you stated before is YOUR opinion, it is MY opinion that such a thing as love without putting limitation, CAN exist and it's not the opinion of some flaky air-brained girl, as you very well know that I am NOT. As well, it is MY opinion that people who have married non-Armenians who accept the Armenian culture, etc are just as Armenian and just as able to contribute to Armenians as a society and to the preservation of Armenians as any other Armenian is. You don't like that, don't do it, no one is saying you should, I am just suggesting a little bit less judgementalism, but if it is also YOUR opinion that the crumbling of societies due to mixing is a fact supported by much evidence and you wouldn't be caught dead doing something to contribute to that, then feel free. I wouldn't dream of convincing you otherwise.

[Anonymouse]

No one said you were trying to convince me to change my preferences. Thank you for stating the obvious when you said that everything you said before is merely your opinion and not something you'd ever hold anyone else to. Well, who else's opinion would it be? Nor did I ever state anywhere that I personally prefer to go out with everyone on the 'spectrum' as you so eloquently put it. I've only ever dated Armenian guys and continue to do so. My point is that you are judging people because they married someone who is not Armenian and you admit that you would never date a girl who went out with someone who wasn't Armenian. Coming from someone who seems to be pretty intelligent and well-learned, at the very least, that is the most narrow-minded point of view I've ever heard. You're right, it is YOUR opinion and YOUR right to do whatever you please with YOUR life. You mistake conversation and back-and-forth with personal attacks and resort to the common 'well it's my opinion and God forbid I try to convince you of something blah blah blah' and 'oh that's just an exception.'

The same people that are all about respecting the choices and decisions of others, and "tolerance" and "openmindedness" are pretty intolerant of people who have views that are not similar to the majority who believe in colorblind bliss. I did not infuse any personal attacks, only passionate statements, no different than yourself. That is all. If you construe that as "personal attacks", then there is not much I can do other than assure you that it was not. That my views do not correlate with the present racial revolution of "we are all the same" must mean that my views are "narrow minded" because I do not buy into the racial revolution's tenets of "we are all equal" and other nonsense. Instead we have to believe that anyone can be English, German, Japanese, or Armenian even if they are black, and the only way they can be so is if they go through the initiation process of 'accepting the culture'.

The fact that you call my views "narrow minded" when only 50 years ago that was pretty much what was accepted goes to show you how far a racial revolution and language can go into making people think a certain way. Back in the day when people expressed opinions about mixing or such, they used words like antagonism, hostility, kindness, admiration, hatred, but never words such as "racism" or "narrowmindedness". Such are the thoughts constructed and made official in the last few decades. It must be a uniquely 20th century experience for large numbers of people to be accused of words, for which the very words to describe them have only just been invented.

You are also of the opinion that women are inferior to men and many other misguided, decidely chauvenist ideas.

I never stated that women are inferior, they are unequal and different, but I sense this bothered you so you had to bring it up. So therefore my ideas are labeled as "chauvinist" because they do not conform to the modern "progressive standards". So let's get this straight, I prefer women who are not bichy feministic career women out to become management consultants or CEOs and control their pussified wussified husbands or then enjoy their sexual gratifications with interracial dates nor do I approve of interracial relationships, my ideas are "backward" and "narrow minded" and "chauvinistic". All my ideas do not conform to the propaganda that most of you accept as "open-minded". Yes, a few decades ago my views were pretty much "open minded". Is there anything that is hard for you to accept about my views? I do not like feminists, I do not like race mixing. I would be described by modern standards as "racist" "Nazi", "hater" "chauvinist" or whatever other silly epithets you can think up of. I dare challenge your creativity. I am getting rather tired of the same labels. I deserve new ones.

However, I still consider everything you say and take part in conversations with you without dismissing your every post, position, and opinion with a simple 'well whatever that's an exception' or 'I don't care what you or anyone else does'!

I never dismissed your posts. To me this is another emotional appeal that I have no idea what it is for. If you feel I dismiss your posts then you are not obliged to respond to them. In fact, I took your posts the most seriously out of everyone.

and just as whatever you stated before is YOUR opinion, it is MY opinion that such a thing as love without putting limitation, CAN exist and it's not the opinion of some flaky air-brained girl, as you very well know that I am NOT. As well, it is MY opinion that people who have married non-Armenians who accept the Armenian culture, etc are just as Armenian and just as able to contribute to Armenians as a society and to the preservation of Armenians as any other Armenian is. You don't like that, don't do it, no one is saying you should, I am just suggesting a little bit less judgementalism, but if it is also YOUR opinion that the crumbling of societies due to mixing is a fact supported by much evidence and you wouldn't be caught dead doing something to contribute to that, then feel free. I wouldn't dream of convincing you otherwise.

No one said you are an air-brained girl and no one said that you are not entitled to your opinions. I do not understand the reasons for your emotional appeal above, because it seems clear to me where we stand respectively. You only made it out to be something it is not, i.e. you turned this discussion into a "drama" when it was really not. Furthermore, you can choose to believe in the scenario that someone can be "Armenianized" if they go through the initiation, but the fact remains if that is going to gradually be the norm, and not the exception, Armenians will dilute faster than you can say "racism". It seems to me that none of you understand the seriousness of the racial revolution that is promoted. Only "white countries" have to accept such sillyness about colorblind bliss. You downplay historical examples such as Rome that are carbon copies of America who went through the same examples, or ignore places like the Crimea or Eastern Europe where Armenian communities once existed, but were only later to disappear because of exactly this, and you think you can comfort everything by simple nice fuzzy answers of "Awww look hes choosing to learn Armenian and his name is Tyrone Jamal Johnson Jr." There is nothing wrong if someone wants to adopt a culture. How many people are adopting Armenian cutlure, versus the amount that deny their Armenian heritage, and further to that, mix.

It was Pierre Vergniaud that ended up on the guillotine during the French revolution that said that the revolution “might devour each of its children in turn.” The racial revolution if left unchecked, will certainly devour our children. But everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions, and no one is obliged to accept this. In fact, I always love being the single dissenter with the most "narrow minded" and dissenting view.

[Anonymouse]

Yes but their success as a contributing society is a new story. The Filipino's, before the Spanish conquered them, were probably very homogenous. That is no reason to respect a society. Society and culture are not one and the same.

Even though homogeneity is one of Japan's great strengths, homogeneity is by no means a sufficient condition for national success of any people. Parts of Africa are racially and culturally homogeneous, but show few signs of great achievement. Therefore, it is the race and culture that matter. And hence why races differ, why different races have different capacities and temperaments.

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

I assume that most people consider me a stuck up, fanatic, nationalist armo. Well I f u think that way, I dont care I have to be like this b/c i live in foreign country and I dont have the guarantee that the following generations will feel the same way. I am like this b/c I want to keep my armenianism as long as it is possilble. One day, if I dont return back to Armenia my grandkids maybe wont even know that they have armenian origin. So why if I have the chance to keep my nationality in me not to do it. There are plenty of available armenian bachelors who are really goodlooking and very nice people that need to be married with nice armenian girls. Marrying an odar means that u bring him home in a family gathering and all ur family does is to sit like "xiar" and translate whatever we say. ONly that is enough for me not be involved with otar guy. I mean he is not going to feel comfortable coming to my home and little by little ill lose my contact from armenian community and become "xiar" amerikatsii "xiar" knik. Unlike being married with armenian u have the ability to reproduce 100% armenian kids, having fun by yelling to him in armenian, living ur life to the fullest with lots of surprises and kesur fights (which makes life also interesting). U dont get what really armenian means. That means tak entanekan vayr, uraxutiun, xorovats, kef, kriv, "kayf", goral. chval. How can u change all these things with western culture. I dont degrade anything and anyone. IT's just i owuldnt change my family, my nation for modern and openminded life. I grew up outside of Armenia, and I know what openminded life means, something that armenians dont need to have it to the fullest.

Sincerely,
FIRE

[varo]

All societies that eventually mix, collapse, because the people, and the culture that the original people created, dilute. This pattern can be seen everywhere throughout history. Multiracial, multicultural societies are not healthy but sick, and usually mark the end or aging periods of civilizations. Those who believe "race does not matter", need to have a reality check, because it is precisely those people that stand to face extinction in the near millenium. With that said, I never said I am forcing people to marry Armenians. That would go against my ethics. The best I can do is persuade them to my point of view, via reason. I only stated I do not agree with it. Otherwise they are free to do as they please.

You should study history better! And get a reality check yourself. Cause Race does matter, a whole lot actually!
For milleniums Armenains could survive only because they were able to adjust to races (Turkish, Osman, Persian, Roman, Mongoles and Arabs) who concurred us. In a way Armenians were forced to mingle with other races, at first place to maintain their lifes and secondly to be able to pass on the cultural heritage. The Armenians are still here only because of the power to pass on the heritage.
If you study the Armenians you will see that we are multiracial and have a culture that contains many -all the good- influances of other culturs. And we have survived for more that 3000 years.
You dont get born Armenian, you become Armenian or whatever you want to call yourself as long that it feels good within yourself.